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Old 08.01.2021, 11:44
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Another lie, where have I held onto the constitution like it is the Bible? Any evidence for this claim? I'm not even from the US, why would you even make such a claim?!

Splitting hairs over whether it was a protest or a riot is not a reason to call someone a hypocrite. As the was focus to what happened was the Senate I called it a protest, I've never denied it was violent. I consider rioting to be something to be more widespread - looting, destruction of property, burning cars etc. If it makes people more comfortable and if it will stop the false accusations then we can call it a riot.
Does killing a police officer get included in what makes it a riot?
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Does killing a police officer get included in what makes it a riot?
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Only if he was killed when his car was set alight. But if he was killed by a black person, it's not only a riot, it's a "race riot".
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Another lie, where have I held onto the constitution like it is the Bible? Any evidence for this claim? I'm not even from the US, why would you even make such a claim?!

Splitting hairs over whether it was a protest or a riot is not a reason to call someone a hypocrite. As the was focus to what happened was the Senate I called it a protest, I've never denied it was violent. I consider rioting to be something to be more widespread - looting, destruction of property, burning cars etc. If it makes people more comfortable and if it will stop the false accusations then we can call it a riot.
Your apparent faux outrage is pretty funny.

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Oh, Tony. You should start saying what you really mean rather than writing in hyperbolic declaratives and then claiming folk misrepresent what you say. You seem to deliberately leave room for interpretation then get all bent out or shape when folk pick the "wrong" interpretaton. But I suspect you know that. It's what you have done since you joined here.


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Old 08.01.2021, 12:27
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You try to deny that it's a riot and then try to claim that you said it's a riot.
Yet another lie.

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Your begrudging, disingenuous "offer" to call it a riot is about on a level with calling Trump's too-little, too-late speech that he posted on Twitter last night a concession.
I may as well go back to just calling it a protest for what difference it makes, no point in trying to placate those that have no intention of being placated. Good luck with your unity and healing!

Farcical that even someone complaining about use of the word protest(ors) were happily using it themselves just yesterday!

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Farcical that even someone complaining about use of the word protest(ors) were happily using it themselves just yesterday!
Like I said, you could really use some work on your basic logic and critical thinking skills.

You must have a very sad life to spend so much time trolling on an Internet forum.
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Yet another lie.



I may as well go back to just calling it a protest for what difference it makes, no point in trying to placate those that have no intention of being placated. Good luck with your unity and healing!

Farcical that even someone complaining about use of the word protest(ors) were happily using it themselves just yesterday!
Not a lie. A judgement/ interpretation based on what you yourself wrote. Stop trying to harangue folk. It's tiresome.

If you genuinely don't realise what you're doing, then I'm happy to tutor you in rudimentary deduction/inference and writer's intent, a.k.a. doing stuff with words for effect for a specific purpose. Extensive experience. Reasonable rates. Many references available on request.
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Old 08.01.2021, 12:44
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Not a lie. A judgement/ interpretation based on what you yourself wrote. Stop trying to harangue folk. It's tiresome.

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No, it's an out and out lie. I have NEVER denied a riot took place, tried to or otherwise. I was asked why I had referred to the events as a protest, gave an explanation as to why and agreed to use the word "riot" going forward. There were a few others calling the events of Jan 6th a protest too yesterday.

I have the feeling that so much that is said on these pages gets poisonously twisted, and even when you agree with people, they still look for something to pick a fight over, all the time dragging one further away from the topic of discussion. Rank hypocrisy basically.
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No, it's an out and out lie. I have NEVER denied a riot took place. I was asked why I had referred to the events as a protest, gave an explanation as to why and agreed to use the word "riot" going forward. There were a few others calling the events of Jan 6th a protest too yesterday.

I have the feeling that so much that is said on these pages gets poisonously twisted, and even when you agree with people, they still look for something to pick a fight over. Rank hypocrisy basically.
No it's not. You are picking and choosing what to be offended by.


Your own words implied that the protest/riot/potentially violent unprecedented since 1814 ish demonstration in which people died was simply folk dressed as Jamiroquai doing something relatively innocous ( i forget what you actually said and CBA to look but you did say Jamiroquai which infers you found it trivial/funny).

Rank hypocrisy indeed, coupled with a decided lack of self awareness. IMO,,obvs.
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Old 08.01.2021, 12:56
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So the cops moved the barricades to let them protest in the grounds as was their right and you use that as evidence of a media conspiracy to misrepresent the later storming of the building and associated violence? Hmm ok. How about you try again and present evidence of a major news organisation, reporting a real item of fake news, something patently false, not some misreporting that was later corrected but an actual blatant lie by say, trumps favourite whipping boy CNN, lets have it.
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No, it's an out and out lie. I have NEVER denied a riot took place, tried to or otherwise. I was asked why I had referred to the events as a protest, gave an explanation as to why and agreed to use the word "riot" going forward. There were a few others calling the events of Jan 6th a protest too yesterday.

I have the feeling that so much that is said on these pages gets poisonously twisted, and even when you agree with people, they still look for something to pick a fight over, all the time dragging one further away from the topic of discussion. Rank hypocrisy basically.
I called it protest yesterday .. Was it not?

Others elaborated on that saying .. it was their right..to protest.. Quite a few thanked that post.

Whatever.. I'm sure those who broke the law will be suitable punished. Just like all the other protests that happened throughout 2020. Maybe some will even punished under trumps monuments law.. The irony..

There's even stuff on eBay now, stolen from inside the capitol.
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Old 08.01.2021, 12:59
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The reverberations from Trump's riot will resound for a long time.
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Old 08.01.2021, 13:05
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No it's not. You are picking and choosing what to be offended by.

Your own words implied that the protest/riot/potentially violent unprecedented since 1814 ish demonstration in which people died was simply folk dressed as Jamiroquai doing something relatively innocous ( i forget what you actually said and CBA to look but you did say Jamiroquai which infers you found it trivial/funny).

Rank hypocrisy indeed, coupled with a decided lack of self awareness. IMO,,obvs.
I'm offended by lies and misrepresentation yes. When there are so many people on these pages that claim the importance of facts, yet so willingly disregard them when making personal attacks.

As clearly stated in the original point (which was actually agreeing to something written by another poster), it was to put what happened into perspective of the reaction that followed.

Was it bad? YES, REAL BAD! Was it a coup? NO! Was it terrorism? NO! Was it as bad as what we saw over the last summer? NO! It was a mob on the rampage that had been worked up by President Trump, who were able to make things look far worse due terrible policing and security. The worst part IMO, is not what happened, but what proceeded it in the Presidents actions. Inciting a crowd like that has absolutely unequivocally tarnished his reputation and proven he isn't fit for office. He put his vanity before his country and as a result, his own supporters paid the price.
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Was it bad? YES, REAL BAD! Was it a coup? NO! Was it terrorism? NO! Was it as bad as what we saw over the last summer? NO! It was a mob on the rampage that had been worked up by President Trump, who were able to make things look far worse due terrible policing and security. The worst part IMO, is not what happened, but what proceeded it in the Presidents actions. Inciting a crowd like that has absolutely unequivocally tarnished his reputation and proven he isn't fit for office. He put his vanity before his country and as a result, his own supporters paid the price.
Last summer? The BLM riots? Indeed. Because these folk were white.

It could have been a lot worse.


You were not misrepresented. Blimey.
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Something I have not considered before, the opinion of a former sysadmin for the US Congress:

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Was it bad? YES, REAL BAD! Was it a coup? NO! Was it terrorism? NO!
Do we really get anything out of this long-winded ad personam debate?

I barely ever agreed with Tony on anything, but I don't think he's trolling. He certainly has different views, and I read his recent posts in this thread as more of a semantic debate. What I interpreted is that he would only call it a riot when it's not centered around a single building, but rather an event involving a wider area of damage. He did downplay the whole thing a little bit (if anything a little facetiously, with the "the guy appearing on all the front pages is topless and wearing a Jamiroquai hat" comment), but going carefully through his posts, he criticizes more the way it's been blow out of proportion by the media and polititians (who are calling it a coup), but not condoning it. He plays a little of brinkmanship with comments such as "the police literally opened up the front doors and let them in" (when in reality there seems to have been only 1 policeman opening 1 gate), but that's secondary.

Furthermore, I agree with Tony in that it was not a coup, it was rather a violent demonstration borderlining with terrorism intent (if we're going to stick to the definition that terrorism is "Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes"). For it to be a coup it would have needed a LOT more firepower. This seems to me to have been a conspiracy to violently protest inside the Capitol. Period.
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Trump is dumb, incompetent, a big-mouthed coward, and hardly follows through on anything. All these are good things here because he couldn't organize a proper coup if his life depended on it.

That said, if he had called his mob to take control of the Capitol, institute some "revolutionary parliament" and declare him King - I am 100% sure they would have done this.

What matters is that this travesty is coming to an end, Biden seems focused on a fresh start on the 20th (apparently also being against another impeachment), and at least parts of the GOP seems to say good riddance and seem to be somewhat more considerate for now.
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Furthermore, I agree with Tony in that it was not a coup, it was rather a violent demonstration borderlining with terrorism intent (if we're going to stick to the definition that terrorism is "Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes"). For it to be a coup it would have needed a LOT more firepower. This seems to me to have been a conspiracy to violently protest inside the Capitol. Period.
Fully agree. But your analysis is way too sophisticated One Just needs to look at the guy with the dead squirrel on his head to understand this was not a coup.
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... it was ... a violent demonstration borderlining with terrorism intent (if we're going to stick to the definition that terrorism is "Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes"). ... a conspiracy to violently protest inside the Capitol. Period.
Incited by the President

Planned by many in advance (including T-Shirts pre-printed with the date).

Further encouraged by the President.

Made possible, at all, by the omissions or comissions by at least some police/security officers.

Carried out by "believers" behaving with a passion and misguidedness that looks like cult behaviour.

Asked by the President (but not before he was under huge pressure so to do) to go home, but nevertheless blessed by the the President.

And still this President has not been removed from office.
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Agree 100% with every word you said. Despicable and unjustifiable. But not a coup. That would required thousands of armed men with heavy firepower, tons on tanks and sh!t (which the US armed forces would easily crush, anyhow). This was a joke*...like komsomolez said, worth of the man with the squirrel on his head. This is the best he can do. But I insist I don't think this qualifies as a coup.

* I don't want to be insensitive to the policeman who passed away from his injuries, I mean "joke" metaphorically.
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J'adore...

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