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Agree, this is precisely why I am still worried that after Trump it will be someone else who fill in the vacuum for these 70m+ voters.

The guy with the nuclear codes who was deemed too dangerous to have a twitter account might be replaced by something even worse.
Yes who knows it could be a former ( awaiting activation ) Soviet Sleeper agent ( aka The Americans ) embedded
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For regular folk that makes sense. But Trump fans aren't what I'd call regular. They don't ignore Trump. They practically worship him and wait for his coded instructions (stand back and stand by). I disagree it's only posturing.

With respect to Wednesday's event, mob mentality is an interesting phenomenon. Otherwise "normal" people get swept up in the moment and can make very poor choices. Clearly some of the people that wound up in the Capitol didn't plan to be there at first. They got whipped into a frenzy, moving along with a crowd, and then decided being part of a revolution sounded like a stellar idea. Others planned on violence from the start.

I'm sure at least some of those posting about shooting Pence are determined to try.
Yeah, they had set up a noose outside the Capitol building. I'm not sure if it was just symbolic or if some of them would have actually used it if they could, but I'm not sure that even matters. It doesn't diminish how truly f'ed up it is.

I can completely understand why anyone in government would want him removed from office ASAP and to have absolutely no chance of ever being able to hold office again.
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Indeed, scary images- not the wacky smily guys with horn on their heads

https://youtu.be/lhjRXO72v1s
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Are you talking about Iceland ? as there's a Pirate Party in the Icelandic Parliament.

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Icelandic Pirate party sounds like a dream come true.

Yeah, I meant the CZ ones. They are eager, I think they mean well, are relatively uncorrupted..but not very experienced. Pirates are in many countries. I think they are naieve everywhere. Maybe it's only the Bohemian ones that have dreadlocks. I don't think they'll ever get fur bikinis.
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Indeed, scary images- not the wacky smily guys with horn on their heads

https://youtu.be/lhjRXO72v1s
Excellent video (and indeed, very scary). There are a few people here who should see that, because they don't seem to have a realistic understanding of what had actually occurred (particularly the EF member who said it was just a bunch of people taking selfies inside the Capitol after being let in).

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With this little time left it's just posturing and fanning flames. The best thing to do is just ignore Trump at present.
The 25th amendment could be invoked within one hour. I am sure if Pence would do it, the majority of what is left of this cabinet would follow. Personally, I think it would be good for the state of this country to set an example.

But yeah, not going to happen.
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Looks like Dead Animal Hat / Buffalo Horn Man has been arrested as well as the genius who thought it was a good idea to steal Nancy Pelosi's podium and then pose for a photo with it.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/p...sts/index.html

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...orney/2535850/

In an interview with NBC News before his arrest, Chansley (aka Buffalo Horny Guy) gloated about how the mob infiltrated the Capitol, forcing lawmakers to flee.

“The fact that we had a bunch of our traitors in office hunker down, put on their gas masks and retreat into their underground bunker, I consider that a win,” he said.
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Apparently one of the deaths was a QAnon person who died after tasering themselves in the testicles.

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Apparently one of the deaths was a QAnon person who died after tasting themselves in the testicles.
I wonder what on earth he could have been eating, for tasting them to have become deadly.
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This is mind-boggling.

These people don't seem to understand that they are confessing to federal crimes on TV while I bet they celebrated when - amid the BLM riots last year - Trump passed an Executive Order that makes this punishable by 10 years in prison.
Just one of many reasons why harsh punishment don't really deter.
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Indeed, scary images- not the wacky smily guys with horn on their heads

https://youtu.be/lhjRXO72v1s
The pictures starting at 6:40 may well depict one reason why capitol police didn't put up bigger resistance, in order to avoid a panic as the crowd was in a confined space. Clearly, that police officer is completely unable to move and get himself to safety. This seems to be how people get choked to death by the crowd, by mere pressure.

Events where people get trampled to death or choked and killed by the crowd in panic are uncomfortably common. The one in Duisburg (Germany) ten years ago that got ~20 killed and ~500 injured is still omnipresent in the area's public memory. Or Mekka 2015 - according to Wiki, Reuters says 2411 pilgrims were trampeled to death.
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Icelandic Pirate party sounds like a dream come true.

Yeah, I meant the CZ ones. They are eager, I think they mean well, are relatively uncorrupted..but not very experienced. Pirates are in many countries. I think they are naieve everywhere. Maybe it's only the Bohemian ones that have dreadlocks. I don't think they'll ever get fur bikinis.
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The 25th amendment could be invoked within one hour. I am sure if Pence would do it, the majority of what is left of this cabinet would follow. Personally, I think it would be good for the state of this country to set an example.

But yeah, not going to happen.
I see nothing though in the 25th that would prevent a removed ex-POTUS from running again. The entire thing assumes that unfitness is temporary, and that it can be lifted by the ex's declaration (at least if it was self-declared).
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Excellent video (and indeed, very scary). There are a few people here who should see that, because they don't seem to have a realistic understanding of what had actually occurred (particularly the EF member who said it was just a bunch of people taking selfies inside the Capitol after being let in).
Absolutely, then we'll not hear any more 'it was a protest' nonsense. Also on video is the assault on a cop who is probably the one who died, so sad, of all the cops in the frame one is not wearing a helmet and thats the one who the fire extinguisher hits.
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Excellent video (and indeed, very scary). There are a few people here who should see that, because they don't seem to have a realistic understanding of what had actually occurred (particularly the EF member who said it was just a bunch of people taking selfies inside the Capitol after being let in).
Yup .. Me and I stand by that..

Listening to that that guy on the video, the drama in his voice, the gravity of the situation, you'd really think it was 9/11 tenfold. it's pure theatre . Like the north korean news lady.

Then actually listen to him, he pretty much agrees with what i said .. a large part of the crown were there to take selfies and protest.. He states clearly, it is entirely possible that that some people in that crowd might have intended to take hostages, possible that some might have intended harm .. etc etc..

The video a perfect example of the MSM making a huge drama out of something that suits the agenda .. There's no new info or detail in there.. it's just a dramatisation of what we've already seen.
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Yup .. Me and I stand by that..

Listening to that that guy on the video, the drama in his voice, the gravity of the situation, you'd really think it was 9/11 tenfold. it's pure theatre . Like the north korean news lady.

Then actually listen to him, he pretty much agrees with what i said .. a large part of the crown were there to take selfies and protest.. He states clearly, it is entirely possible that that some people in that crowd might have intended to take hostages, possible that some might have intended harm .. etc etc..

The video a perfect example of the MSM making a huge drama out of something that suits the agenda .. There's no new info or detail in there.. it's just a dramatisation of what we've already seen.
It's mind-blowing how people like yourself so desperately try to downplay what happened. Rather than acknowledge the fact that a noose was set up outside, that people were screaming "Hang Mike Pence!" over and over, that bombs were found, and that people were roaming the halls with zip-ties, looking for Congress members, etc., you instead choose to solely focus in on people taking selfies.

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How about the 50 police officers who were injured, including the one who died after being bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher?

You're the perfect example of how people are so blinded by their cognitive biases that they're unable to see or think clearly.

The reporter was there during a violent siege of the Capitol building, and you're trying to say that he was just overreacting.
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Yup .. Me and I stand by that..

Listening to that that guy on the video, the drama in his voice, the gravity of the situation, you'd really think it was 9/11 tenfold. it's pure theatre . Like the north korean news lady.

Then actually listen to him, he pretty much agrees with what i said .. a large part of the crown were there to take selfies and protest.. He states clearly, it is entirely possible that that some people in that crowd might have intended to take hostages, possible that some might have intended harm .. etc etc..

The video a perfect example of the MSM making a huge drama out of something that suits the agenda .. There's no new info or detail in there.. it's just a dramatisation of what we've already seen.
You do know that five people died?
How many deaths does it require before you stop claiming it was just a drama.
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You do know that five people died?
How many deaths does it require before you stop claiming it was just a drama.
I'm talking about the reporting here . The sensationalism, the drama of the reporting. I have not down played the deaths or trauma to individuals, in any of my posts, that's another discussion.

My beef is with how these things are reported, we've seen incomprehensible levels of violence, death and wanton destruction across america over the past couple of years happily described as peaceful protest, supported by big tech and glorified by celebrities .

This happens and and it's called a coup, a seizure of power, overthrow the government.

I think it was a protest which turned violent and contained a small number of people who may have had some very malicious intent. Which is exactly what that news report said, in a very dramatic way.
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I'm talking about the reporting here . The sensationalism, the drama of the reporting. I have not down played the deaths or trauma to individuals, in any of my posts, that's another discussion.

My beef is with how these things are reported, we've seen incomprehensible levels of violence, death and wanton destruction across america over the past couple of years happily described as peaceful protest, supported by big tech and glorified by celebrities .

This happens and and it's called a coup, a seizure of power, overthrow the government.

I think it was a protest which turned violent and contained a small number of people who may have had some very malicious intent. Which is exactly what that news report said, in a very dramatic way.
Have you not seen the ways the protests last summer were being reported on networks like Fox News? They never reported on any of the many peaceful protests that had occurred -- only the violence and the looting. And more left-leaning networks were reporting on the looting as well.

Let's face it. If the situation was reversed here, and Biden had lost the election, refused to admit it and then encouraged BLM or Antifa to siege the Capitol, where they hung a noose while screaming "Hang Mitch McConnell!" and went looking for politicians to tie up with zip ties, etc., resulting in the death of a police officer whose job was to protect the Capitol building... What would Trump supporters and the right media be saying about that, and how would it be reported?

You perceive it as being the way you do because you're clearly unable to accept the reality of what happened. What you perceive as being a "small number of people who may have had some very malicious intent?" is actually thousands of extremely irrational and irate people storming the Capitol and assaulting police officers, resulting in one of their deaths and injuries to 50 others and hanging a noose and screaming "Hang Mike Pence!" while some roamed around with zip-ties, looking for politicians.

It's truly mind-blowing how completely unwilling you are to see any of this for what it is. Maybe if you stopped filtering out any information that doesn't stroke your biases then you would be able to see more clearly.
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A party venue was organised to watch the events on big screen, with music, champagne and all the top Trump people.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/pr...075718517.html


My 'beef' (!) JohnH, is that what had been previously reported before, was the whacky, funny patriot side, fur hats with horns, smiley faces sitting at Pelosi's desk with feet up, or with the Lectern under arm- all sweet and innocent and as said above, just a bit wacky and fun. It was NOT.

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Have you not seen the ways the protests last summer were being reported on networks like Fox News? They never reported on any of the many peaceful protests that had occurred -- only the violence and the looting. And more left-leaning networks were reporting on the looting as well.

Let's face it. If the situation was reversed here, and Biden had lost the election, refused to admit it and then encouraged BLM or Antifa to siege the Capitol, where they hung a noose while screaming "Hang Mitch McConnell!" and went looking for politicians to tie up with zip ties, etc., resulting in the death of a police officer whose job was to protect the Capitol building... What would Trump supporters and the right media be saying about that, and how would it be reported?

You perceive it as being the way you do because you're clearly unable to accept the reality of what happened. What you perceive as being a "small number of people who may have had some very malicious intent?" is actually thousands of extremely irrational and irate people storming the Capitol and assaulting police officers, resulting in one of their deaths and injuries to 50 others and hanging a noose and screaming "Hang Mike Pence!" while some roamed around with zip-ties, looking for politicians.

It's truly mind-blowing how completely unwilling you are to see any of this for what it is. Maybe if you stopped filtering out any information that doesn't stroke your biases then you would be able to see more clearly.
You are blinkered because you all can see is that I'm wrong.. My perception is wrong, I'm on the wrong side because all that it right is what you perceive.

If you actually listen to the words coming out of the mouth of the guy in the video that you like https://youtu.be/lhjRXO72v1s .. He is saying what I said .. Listen to his words instead of being wound up into a frenzy by his style and the drama of the report.

He actually says the same as me with regard to who was doing what, selfies, bad people, malicious intent etc . He uses all of my words too .. Might, may, some etc.

What happened was bad, it's an affront, it's all of that.. The human cost is terrible.. but it was not a coup or a seizure of power.

This is just argument for the sake of it now..Let's not get hung up on some zip ties.
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You are blinkered because you all can see is that I'm wrong.. My perception is wrong, I'm on the wrong side because all that it right is what you perceive.

If you actually listen to the words coming out of the mouth of the guy in the video that you like https://youtu.be/lhjRXO72v1s .. He is saying what I said .. Listen to his words instead of being wound up into a frenzy by his style and the drama of the report.

He actually says the same as me with regard to who was doing what, selfies, bad people, malicious intent etc . He uses all of my words too .. Might, may, some etc.

What happened was bad, it's an affront, it's all of that.. The human cost is terrible.. but it was not a coup or a seizure of power.

This is just argument for the sake of it now..Let's not get hung up on some zip ties.
You were just saying that he was over-exaggerating everything and being overly dramatic, and now you're defending what he was saying and how he was saying it?

No, it wasn't a seizure of power. It was an attempt to seize power in an attempt to prevent Congress from certifying Biden's electoral votes.
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I always carry zip ties with me.

Really.

And a knife or two.

And duct tape.

And safety wire.

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