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At least 120 rioters have been identified and are under investigation; what sort of idiots run around without masks during a pandemic and then post photos on social media? Most of them identified as long term Trump supporters.

The FBI is investigating the possibility of more serious charges.

Let us hope Trump does not pardon them.

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and they are finding themselves on nofly lists
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...of-Trump-goons
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So rephrasing your post you believe crimes should not be prosecuted/punished after the event?
I think when it comes to things like this an individual approach should be taken that looks at the benefits to society at large.

Turning Trump into a martyr is only going to encourage more rioting and stoke more division. Things should remain as quiet and calm as possible to enable something like an orderly transition. Revenge political action doesn't really help the situation and I think puts that orderly transition at a greater risk.

Yes Trump's a guilty as hell, but Bill Clinton lied under oath and the democrats (including Joe Biden) didn't convict him despite the fact he was clearly guilty so I don't think the Republicans should feel any obligation to convict even if they disapprove of his conduct. I'd probably have voted to acquit Bill as well - I think these things should be left to the electorate in all but the most extreme cases.
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I think when it comes to things like this an individual approach should be taken that looks at the benefits to society at large.

Turning Trump into a martyr is only going to encourage more rioting and stoke more division. Things should remain as quiet and calm as possible.
How is it going to turn him into a martyr? Those who adore him would defend him if he committed murder live on TV.
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How is it going to turn him into a martyr? Those who adore him would defend him if he committed murder live on TV.
Well quite. So if he was removed unceremoniously they'd probably charge back into government buildings and try to start some mini-civil war. I just think fanning the flames when he's gone in a week isn't necessary or constructive.
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Well quite. So if he was removed unceremoniously they'd probably charge back into government buildings and try to start some mini-civil war. I just think fanning the flames when he's gone in a week isn't necessary or constructive.
Not if he wasn't there to incite. The idiots who did this on his say so - let's not forget they had pre-printed sweatshirts with the date and Civil War on them - need rounding up and charging too. Which is what's happening. Trump threw them under the bus in his speech.

He needs to go and it needs to be in a way so he cannot run again. He's too dangerous because of who he appeals to .
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And maybe Cruz and Hawley will get the Boot, among others. And, there are a bunch of house members that need to be considered for removal.
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This is quite interesting. Frank Luntz is a pollster who has usually spot on views on the sentiment of GOP voters. This gives hope that Trump's base will be much smaller going forwaed as the more moderate GOP voters realize what a disaster Trump is.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FrankLunt...98046909300736
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I think these things should be left to the electorate in all but the most extreme cases.
Not enough people died when the pres. incited a riot?

They didn't burn the building down?

What's the standard?
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And maybe Cruz and Hawley will get the Boot, among others. And, there are a bunch of house members that need to be considered for removal.
Starting with Pelosi and crew.

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I think when it comes to things like this an individual approach should be taken that looks at the benefits to society at large.

Turning Trump into a martyr is only going to encourage more rioting and stoke more division. Things should remain as quiet and calm as possible to enable something like an orderly transition. Revenge political action doesn't really help the situation and I think puts that orderly transition at a greater risk.

Yes Trump's a guilty as hell, but Bill Clinton lied under oath and the democrats (including Joe Biden) didn't convict him despite the fact he was clearly guilty so I don't think the Republicans should feel any obligation to convict even if they disapprove of his conduct. I'd probably have voted to acquit Bill as well - I think these things should be left to the electorate in all but the most extreme cases.
I think this is the most extreme case ever. Clinton's dirt and even the first Trump impeachment is nothing against this.
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Starting with Pelosi and crew.

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How is the popcorn?
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Sorry but I have to laugh at the idea of abducting someone on foot or with the MTB
Probably her secret phantasy
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Starting with Pelosi and crew.

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Ah, but they didn‘t incite violence......
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What's an "Office of Profit under the United States"?

Constitution Article I, Section 3, Clause 7:
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And maybe Cruz and Hawley will get the Boot, among others. And, there are a bunch of house members that need to be considered for removal.
I think that's up the electorate. Getting rid of elected members in a coup because said members are trying to orchestrate a coup (well they aren't really - they are trying to appeal to the base - not that that is a defense) is kind of ironic.

Hasn't Trumps loss shown anyone that its important extreme views are defeated at the ballot box rather than through legal action.

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I think this is the most extreme case ever. Clinton's dirt and even the first Trump impeachment is nothing against this.
Whilst I agree on your severity point, the fact remains that the Democrats can't claim with a straight face that the Republicans must convict on the basis of obvious guilt when they have acquitted an obviously guilty president on party political lines.

The severity would make Trump's position untenable - but he's going anyway - so I don't really see the reason for a Republican to convict.
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What's an "Office of Profit under the United States"?

Constitution Article I, Section 3, Clause 7:
Even the constitution doesn't define it. I think it's something like an office where you have control over money?

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I think that's up the electorate.
Yes and no. There are ways to expel members of Congress, but it takes a 2/3 majority which neither party has. You might well have to murder someone on 5th avenue to get booted. Some links:

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-.../expulsion.htm
https://history.house.gov/Institutio...nt/Discipline/
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Not enough people died when the pres. incited a riot?

They didn't burn the building down?

What's the standard?
It should be on the basis of actual guilt - but both the Democratic and Republican parties are corrupt and vote on a party political line for what is meant to be a judicial process.

Given this realistically won't change I think the only remaining standard is to remove a president when their position is untenable - that doesn't really apply in the current situation as he's going already.

In this instance, I think de-escalation is more important than revenge.
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Ah, but they didn‘t incite violence......
They will if they go through with the idiotic impeachment!

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Did ya see the news last night? Idiots blaming Left wingers for the Capitol riots who they say were trying to give Trump a bad name.

WtF!!!

I don't know if it's been posted before, but in basic English... a Trump is a Fart, seems f(rrr)itting

'av a Good evening y'all

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