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Old 12.01.2021, 15:13
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Facebook is reviewing to make Trump's ban permanent, they have also advised their employees not to wear company shirts in public; horrible times.

Meanwhile, Trump has long given up leading the country and is simply pursuing his own dubious interests, in the end he has proven to be even more awful than I expected. Nobody foresaw he would release an armed and aggressive group of supporters on the Capitol.

One man was found to have 13 home made bombs in his truck.
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Facebook is reviewing to make Trump's ban permanent, they have also advised their employees not to wear company shirts in public; horrible times.

Meanwhile, Trump has long given up leading the country and is simply pursuing his own dubious interests, in the end he has proven to be even more awful than I expected. Nobody foresaw he would release an armed and aggressive group of supporters on the Capitol.

One man was found to have 13 home made bombs in his truck.
I'm sure poor little hard done by Trump will be painted as a victim shortly. And the bombs... meh... only 13?
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I'm sure poor little hard done by Trump will be painted as a victim shortly. And the bombs... meh... only 13?
obviously a lazy antifa commie soy boy
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obviously a lazy antifa commie soy boy
Of course! Won't somebody think of the poor Alt Right....
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Old 12.01.2021, 15:25
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Of course! Won't somebody think of the poor Alt Right....
im sure amogles will be here shortly for that.
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im sure amogles will be here shortly for that.
Leading the charge? Waaaahhhhhh they will all cry.
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I didn't agree with us calling it a coup attempt, until I read this interesting article in Politico about 30min. ago: https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...na-hill-457549
this guy has a good take on it, he looks like he should have been rioting but he talks a lot of sense on the subject of 'coup'

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Any American Efers should play that short film, and take heed!

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Old 12.01.2021, 17:38
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By waiting till the Biden administration is installed, the rules for the impeachment trial can be shaped by the Democratic leadership. (First impeachment trial was a joke) Two thirds majority means they have to convince 16 R Senators to vote yes and depending on how this ends, maybe that will be possible.
I'm not sure where people got the idea that 16 Republican senators would have to vote to convict Trump. A two-thirds majority of the senators present for the vote is required. If all 100 senators attend the vote, that means that the threshold is 67. There will be 48 Democrat senators in the next Senate, so all of them would need to vote for conviction, plus the two independents, plus 17 Republican senators.

There's much less pressure on the Republicans to stand by "their" man this time, but there's still virtually no chance of a conviction.
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Old 12.01.2021, 18:02
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I'm not sure where people got the idea that 16 Republican senators would have to vote to convict Trump. A two-thirds majority of the senators present for the vote is required. If all 100 senators attend the vote, that means that the threshold is 67. There will be 48 Democrat senators in the next Senate, so all of them would need to vote for conviction, plus the two independents, plus 17 Republican senators.

There's much less pressure on the Republicans to stand by "their" man this time, but there's still virtually no chance of a conviction.
It seems very likely that most senators from both sides would attend any vote. The Ds would attend to maximize their numbers for removal. The Rs would attend in sufficient numbers so as to deny the Ds the 2/3 majority of whoever shows up...

Unless the Rs can't compute fractions and think that no Rs showing up is a good thing.
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Old 12.01.2021, 18:48
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Well, the overwhelming majority of Republican Senators refused to support any of the objections to the electoral votes last Wednesday (and I think it was 13 of them that ended up removing their objections after the riots occurred). So maybe more of them would also be willing to vote Trump out, and especially at this point. I guess it's hard to say or to really have any idea of what's really going on in their minds.

But I think that if any of them had a conscience and followed that conscience, they would be willing to vote him out. To not do so would be, in many ways, to condone the attack on the Capitol and the fact that he had instigated it.
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Old 12.01.2021, 19:29
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What's an "Office of Profit under the United States"?

Constitution Article I, Section 3, Clause 7:
Simply a paid position, or an "office" (role/job) for which the recipient receives "profit" (salary/payment), falling under the jurisdiction of the United States, that is (probably) to say, a Federal position*.

Offices of trust or hono(u)r are likewise easy to define and likely are unpaid. The presidency falls into all three categories, although Trump did not receive "profit" from the office.



*What is interesting is that this clause bars a Federal office-holder who has been convicted (following impeachment) from ever holding office again "under the United States". It doesn't specify "Federal" or "government" office. Depending on the interpretation of "under the United States", one could argue that the disqualification should extend to any directorship or titled position in a private company...
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Old 12.01.2021, 19:33
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It seems very likely that most senators from both sides would attend any vote. The Ds would attend to maximize their numbers for removal. The Rs would attend in sufficient numbers so as to deny the Ds the 2/3 majority of whoever shows up...

Unless the Rs can't compute fractions and think that no Rs showing up is a good thing.
Exactly, hence my assessment of the probability of conviction.
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Old 12.01.2021, 21:04
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“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”

New terror threat points to plot to surround Capitol, lawmaker says
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/12/p...ats/index.html

"Thousands of armed pro-Donald Trump extremists are plotting to surround the US Capitol ahead of President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration, according to a member of Congress who was among those briefed late Monday on a series of new threats against lawmakers and the Capitol itself.

They were talking about 4,000 armed 'patriots' to surround the Capitol and prevent any Democrat from going in," Rep. Conor Lamb, a Pennsylvania Democrat, told CNN's Alisyn Camerota on "New Day." "They have published rules of engagement, meaning when you shoot and when you don't. So this is an organized group that has a plan. They are committed to doing what they're doing because I think in their minds, you know, they are patriots and they're talking about 1776 and so this is now a contest of wills."

Washington, DC, Mayor Muriel Bowser on Monday urged Americans to avoid the city during Biden's inauguration next week and to participate virtually, referring at a news conference to "very extreme factions in our country that are armed and dangerous."

In addition to warning of possibly more armed demonstrations by right-wing groups in coming days, the FBI is tracking reports of "various threats to harm President-Elect Biden ahead of the presidential inauguration," the bulletin states. "Additional reports indicate threats against VP-Elect Harris and Speaker Pelosi."
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The little Capitol "afterquakes" roll on

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In his letter, Schmid blasted GOP House members for supporting an objection to President-elect Joe Biden’s victory even after the deadly riot that occurred Jan. 6 by a mob of President Trump's supporters.

A top aide to Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) resigned on Tuesday as her former boss continues to face criticism over his objections to the official affirmation of President-elect Joe Biden's win in two states after the violence that overtook the U.S. Capitol last week.

The senator's office confirmed that communications director Lauren Blair Bianchi had agreed with the senator that "it would be best to part ways."
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

As expected, Trump is denying that he said or did anything wrong during his rally right before the Capitol riots, even claiming that his speech has been "analyzed" and that people are saying that everything he said was "totally appropriate":

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum..._live_hero_hed

In there, he also says that "violence is always wrong" and begins to try to shift the topic by saying that the protests last summer were "the real problem" -- all while completely failing to acknowledge the violence at the Capitol.

As usual, he is refusing to acknowledge any responsibility, because in Trump's mind, there is always someone else to blame.
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Old 13.01.2021, 00:04
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As expected, Trump is denying that he said or did anything wrong during his rally right before the Capitol riots, even claiming that his speech has been "analyzed" and that people are saying that everything he said was "totally appropriate":

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum..._live_hero_hed

In there, he also says that "violence is always wrong" and begins to try to shift the topic by saying that the protests last summer were "the real problem" -- all while completely failing to acknowledge the violence at the Capitol.

As usual, he is refusing to acknowledge any responsibility, because in Trump's mind, there is always someone else to blame.
It is claimed that Donny got legal advice to reduce his legal liability by condemning violence.
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I'm not sure where people got the idea that 16 Republican senators would have to vote to convict Trump. A two-thirds majority of the senators present for the vote is required. If all 100 senators attend the vote, that means that the threshold is 67. There will be 48 Democrat senators in the next Senate, so all of them would need to vote for conviction, plus the two independents, plus 17 Republican senators.

There's much less pressure on the Republicans to stand by "their" man this time, but there's still virtually no chance of a conviction.
I think you are right as it seems the momentum regarding the Republican Party and impeachment grows by the minute. Not only has McConnell said impeachment is warranted (didn't say how he would vote however) but also Liz Cheney, who formerly backed Trump and is a high ranking Republican and very influential, has said she will vote yes for impeachment.

I think Republicans are making every effort to ensure Trump never runs again and think they will be successful

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/polit...ote/index.html
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It is claimed that Donny got legal advice to reduce his legal liability by condemning violence.
Of course he did, it's obvious. Only problem with that is that he is already on video inciting it in the first place.
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“The violent riot in Washington, D.C. on Jan. 6, 2021 was a direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building, and our Constitutional process,” the memo, signed by Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Mark Milley and the rest of the Pentagon’s Joint Chiefs, read.
In case anyone still thinks it wasn't a riot.
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