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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Biden is a terrible man, he has no heart or compassion. John MCain was the same, a stone cold corporate lackey, which is why they got along so well. Just look at these two pretending to be decent people... it's pathetic. So... transparent.

Thank goodness we have a man like Trump in the whitehouse, a man of the people who cares for the people and has their best interests at heart. A selfless man, a man with compassion and dignity.

A man that surrounds himself with people who reflect those qualities and ideals.

I think these strong qualities must also be reflected in the people who continue to support him. If a person genuinely thinks that Trump is a good guy, that he is a positive force for the USA and indeed the world, then they must, logically speaking, have similar qualities, principles and morals to Trump. This tells us everything we need to know.

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How can anyone look at trump and say, yes, I share this man's vision and values and I want him to lead and represent my country.
Easy, just look at the alternative.
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Easy, just look at the alternative.
Easy, you just have to be a person of extremely poor moral fibre willing to overlook or accept lots of serious wrongdoing, mistreatment of people and criminal behaviour. Like you.
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Easy, you just have to be a person of extremely poor moral fibre willing to overlook or accept lots of serious wrongdoing, mistreatment of people and criminal behaviour. Like you.
Or just a realist
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Biden is a terrible man, he has no heart or compassion. John MCain was the same, a stone cold corporate lackey, which is why they got along so well. Just look at these two pretending to be decent people... it's pathetic. So... transparent.



Thank goodness we have a man like Trump in the whitehouse, a man of the people who cares for the people and has their best interests at heart. A selfless man, a man with compassion dignity.



A man that surrounds himself with people who reflect those qualities and ideals.



I think these strong qualities must also be reflected in the people who continue to support him. If a person genuinely thinks that Trump is a good guy, that he is a positive force for the USA and indeed the world, then they must, logically speaking, have similar qualities, principles and morals to Trump. This tells us everything we need to know.

I don't think that there are many people here that Trump is a good or great or even an acceptable candidate, but that doesn't mean that Biden is a good candidate.


Both are tired, old men that have a past and a present, but don't exactly represent the future and shouldn't be in a presidential election.
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Easy, just look at the alternative.
Point 1. With your vote you are voting for a person, not against another, right. My questions was how someone could actually vote for him.
If you want to send a message just vote independent or blank/invalid. (dunno if this is possible.)

I mean I get it why people voted for him four years ago, there might have been even one or two valid reasons. He had time now to prove that he is not up to the standards of this job in every aspect...

Point 2. Would you care to elaborate in what way biden would do a worse job than trump?
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I don't think that there are many people here that Trump is a good or great or even an acceptable candidate, but that doesn't mean that Biden is a good candidate.

Of course there are... read the forum and this thread.

Both are tired, old men that have a past and a present, but don't exactly represent the future and shouldn't be in a presidential election.
Your post is an exercise in saying absolutely nothing of any worth. Other than his age (which I also agree is too old) why is Biden, a man who clearly believes in fairness and democracy and has a clear goal to improve the lives of all Americans, not a dramatically better candidate than an autocratic and undemocratic psychopath who fires people of worth who he feels challenges him and surrounds himself with extremists and criminals? Do you realise how utterly irrational and illogical your statement is when you simply look at the facts and compare the strengths, weaknesses and past records of A vs B? You are saying you see no advantage of one over the other?

It's just so ridiculous and utterly lacking in any sense that were I not already a jaded and experienced individual with regards to how people think and behave I would probably be astounded by it.
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Point 1. With your vote you are voting for a person, not against another, right. My questions was how someone could actually vote for him.
If you want to send a message just vote independent or blank/invalid. (dunno if this is possible.)

I mean I get it why people voted for him four years ago, there might have been even one or two valid reasons. He had time now to prove that he is not up to the standards of this job in every aspect...
Ideally, people vote for a person who represents their interests. What happens now is that people feel that not only nobody really represents their interests but they have to vote against the party that is the least concerned with their interests.

I doubt that a lot of people will think that Trump did nothing good and on top tries the least represent their interests. I missed the part where Dems got busy proposing realistic plans focusing on reprenting people's interests. They got busy trying to show how fake Trump is, virtue signalling and posturing. But unfortunately not on positive campaigning independently of what the opponents do. It just got too reactive for most people's palate..Like emotionally draining fights and constant over the edge retributals. I am not saying that Rs were fair at all nor that Trump's Twitter fun was constructive, but he got them where he wanted.
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I don't think that there are many people here that Trump is a good or great or even an acceptable candidate, but that doesn't mean that Biden is a good candidate.


Both are tired, old men that have a past and a present, but don't exactly represent the future and shouldn't be in a presidential election.
I essencially agree. I think Biden should have said no for his own sake.

But I wouldn't be able to honestly say that Trump's too old for politics, after he managed to actually get himself voted in for potus.

Look at Putin and how fairly he's securing his political position..and he's no near Trump's age. We all have these ideals. Until we realize that the only thing that gets us open to manipulation is our ability to follow these ideals and ignore reality.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

It isn’t just the person, it’s also about voting for Senators and Representatives that will support your choice.

Biden with a Republican Senate and/or House is going to be about as effective as Obama was.

But the same applies to Trump ... He couldn’t last more than a few weeks without support from the Senate.
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Your post is an exercise in saying absolutely nothing of any worth. Other than his age (which I also agree is too old) why is Biden, a man who clearly believes in fairness and democracy and has a clear goal to improve the lives of all Americans, not a dramatically better candidate than an autocratic and undemocratic psychopath who fires people of worth who he feels challenges him and surrounds himself with extremists and criminals? Do you realise how utterly irrational and illogical your statement is when you simply look at the facts and compare the strengths, weaknesses and past records of A vs B? You are saying you see no advantage of one over the other?

It's just so ridiculous and utterly lacking in any sense that were I not already a jaded and experienced individual with regards to how people think and behave I would probably be astounded by it.

I didn't write that. I wrote that a bad candidate doesn't make the opponent a good candidate.
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I didn't write that. I wrote that a bad candidate doesn't make the opponent a good candidate.
But provide some logic and rationale behind it... why don't you think Biden is a worthwhile candidate compared to Trump?

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I don't think that there are many people here that Trump is a good or great or even an acceptable candidate, but that doesn't mean that Biden is a good candidate.


Both are tired, old men that have a past and a present, but don't exactly represent the future and shouldn't be in a presidential election.
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I doubt that a lot of people will think that Trump did nothing good and on top tries the least represent their interests. I missed the part where Dems got busy proposing realistic plans focusing on reprenting people's interests. They got busy trying to show how fake Trump is, virtue signalling and posturing. But unfortunately not on positive campaigning independently of what the opponents do. It just got too reactive for most people's palate..Like emotionally draining fights and constant over the edge retributals. I am not saying that Rs were fair at all nor that Trump's Twitter fun was constructive, but he got them where he wanted.
I agree, iirc they tried at least in the beginning. Later, I was so annoyed by pelosis childish tantrums in some videos.
But I wonder what else could they have done. Trump set the bar so low they had to fight his constant twitter propaganda. They just could not let him get away with it, or they would have lost votes on the middle rigth. I hope they could at least persuade some voters who voted against hillary that trump really isn't the lesser evil.
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But provide some logic and rationale behind it... why don't you think Biden is a worthwhile candidate compared to Trump?
He probably does think Biden is better than Trump, but that doesn't mean that Biden is good. That was his point..
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I agree, iirc they tried at least in the beginning. Later, I was so annoyed by pelosis childish tantrums in some videos.
But I wonder what else could they have done. Trump set the bar so low they had to fight his constant twitter propaganda. They just could not let him get away with it, or they would have lost votes on the middle rigth. I hope they could at least persuade some voters who voted against hillary that trump really isn't the lesser evil.
I understand how you see it. But I do think politicians set the bar exactly where they know people will respond. And opponents react..to get them into the game. Business guys even more so. So what Trump did and does is logical, from that perspective. The fact that he still does get stuff done imho comes from the definition of potus, I wouldn't credit it to him being a genius statesman. But he never tried to fake that he wants to be liked. All his opponents do. Which I think might be the ultimate thing to tank Biden's chance. People don't care for politicians who solicit pity.

As per who's more evil between Hillary and Trump - she blew it by being sanctimonious. You can be a clumsy oaf, people will forgive you.

You expect people to distance themselves but that works here, in fact it is the mode of operation here.
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Point 1. With your vote you are voting for a person, not against another, right. My questions was how someone could actually vote for him.
If you want to send a message just vote independent or blank/invalid. (dunno if this is possible.)

I mean I get it why people voted for him four years ago, there might have been even one or two valid reasons. He had time now to prove that he is not up to the standards of this job in every aspect...

Point 2. Would you care to elaborate in what way biden would do a worse job than trump?
Americans don‘t have to vote, or can vote for a third party or a write in. It may help one or the other candidate, especially when nonvoters by choice or design are a large group.
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I understand how you see it. But I do think politicians set the bar exactly where they know people will respond. And opponents react..to get them into the game. Business guys even more so. So what Trump did and does is logical, from that perspective. The fact that he still does get stuff done imho comes from the definition of potus, I wouldn't credit it to him being a genius statesman. But he never tried to fake that he wants to be liked. All his opponents do. Which I think might be the ultimate thing to tank Biden's chance. People don't care for politicians who solicit pity.

As per who's more evil between Hillary and Trump - she blew it by being sanctimonious. You can be a clumsy oaf, people will forgive you.

You expect people to distance themselves but that works here, in fact it is the mode of operation here.

Hmmmm..... people don‘t care for politicians who solicit pity, but they will forgive clumsiness? Is that really different?

I find Biden to be more empathetic, but as you suggest, it could be an act? Not sure.
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Point 2. Would you care to elaborate in what way biden would do a worse job than trump?
He's soft on illegal immigration.
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Americans don‘t have to vote, or can vote for a third party or a write in. It may help one or the other candidate, especially when nonvoters by choice or design are a large group.
In 2016 97,000,000 voters didn’t; almost 47% of the electorate.
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It isn’t just the person, it’s also about voting for Senators and Representatives that will support your choice.

Biden with a Republican Senate and/or House is going to be about as effective as Obama was.

But the same applies to Trump ... He couldn’t last more than a few weeks without support from the Senate.
A Biden presidency and a Republican Senate and/or House is pretty much my best case scenario from here. A way to get rid of Trump without risking the AOC-ification of the US economy.

I especially hope Susan Collins gets back in in Maine - one of the very few US political figures I actually like rather than view as the least worst option.

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