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Aww diddums...after a run of 45 male presidencies and 48 male vice presidencies, it's going to emasculate you to have a woman in there.
Doesn't seem very empowering or authentic if the woman is only getting the position as a token.

Actually comes across as rather patronising.
As opposed to the 90 odd other terms where only a man could be in the running?

America already showed the kind of person it would put above a competent woman for the top job, and those same people now seem to be offended that the number two role might go to a woman too.

What sad little men they are.
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Old 10.08.2020, 11:39
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

In 2016 Trump was new, had some good ideas, and excited a lot of people.

In 2020 he is basically rerunning his 2016 campaign which is not enough and not new. To my knowledge, he has yet to state his plans for his next term and is relying on attacking Biden plus pointing to his record on the economy which unfortunately for him has collapsed.

His "law and order" campaign including sending in the military to bully his own citizens has not yet improved his position. For example, his claims he saved Portland from destruction are somewhat countered by social media which is full of information and photos from actual Portland citizens who claim "the troubles" are confined to a tiny part of the city which most people never visit anyway.

As the COVID-19 spreads ever wider in the US there are more and more people who have friends or relatives who are hospitalised or die and naturally blame their government.

Biden has a published plan for his term and is best off playing it cool and avoiding controvery.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

@chuff, you're obviously not very good at this logic thingamajing. Feel free to try again, sooner or later even you may get it.
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The sad thing is, I can think of many people who would be worse than Biden. And I’m sure that in the election cycles to come , many of them will run.

Why is it that these days you have to be somebody’s family or somebody’s ex VP to be allowed to run. They’re already dreaming of Michelle Obama and Chelsea Clinton. And I’m convinced the GOP is not totally done with the Bush family either. Wien will they wake up to the fact that all this nepotism is hurting them?
Some already ran.

Nepotism in politics is anything but new, see the Kennedy's (and probably many others before them). Nor is it limited to politics, extortionate education tuition and fees have a similar effect (though they're of course much less specific). To people who've held a position for decades nepotism may even be a well-earned right, just like the founder of a company will want family members to step in his footsteps and well-off parents will usually like it when their children join their industry. Yet another reason to limit the number of times you can be elected and the maximum age to run.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

I'm not totally convinced that Biden isn't sliding into dementia.


It will be interesting to see him in a debate - but luckily for him, those will mostly be held as online-events....


Trump calls him "Sleepy Joe" - and with all the nicknames he gave to people, there was always a grain of truth to it.
Though, ISTR that he was quite alert during the debate with Bernie.



Of course, for Trump, running on the "against the establishment" card is a bit difficult when you're part of it. But that was kind-of the case in 2016 already.


But the race is far from over.
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Doesn't seem very empowering or authentic if the woman is only getting the position as a token.

Actually comes across as rather patronising.
Which of Biden's VP candidates would you class as "token".

Here is a list of them, of course, he might surprise us and choose a token from outside this list if you want an easy way to avoid answering.
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Y´all forgetting the Evangelical vote and for them psycho wingnuts Trump is the second coming. In my humble opinion Americans want god back at 600 Pennsylvania Avenue and they will vote for any candidate who promises to deliver.
It doesn´t matter if the candidate is a cheat and a liar and a con-man or adulterer or... whatever.
I was born in the Bible belt... you can't believe some of the crap I've read on Facebook where these idiotic evangelicals compare Trump to Solomon and David from the Old Testament.

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That's the craziest aspect of this election - sexism in a proclaimed effort to fight it. But apparently that's Ok because it discriminates males.
I am a proud feminist and I DON'T think it is OK. It goes against exactly what we are fighting for, which is equality. Warren would have been outstanding choice, not because of her sex, but because of her qualifications.
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Old 10.08.2020, 12:20
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I was born in the Bible belt... you can't believe some of the crap I've read on Facebook where these idiotic evangelicals compare Trump to Solomon and David from the Old Testament.
I know you disagree (they would disapprove of our community, fo sho). But people need to learn to co-habitate. All people.
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@chuff, you're obviously not very good at this logic thingamajing. Feel free to try again, sooner or later even you may get it..
I will take that as your inability to articulate yourself in a clear, logical and rational manner. As usual.

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Stop shaming, with a straight face, people for their political opinion. I think you are a big boy who can face others thinking differently than you.
I will not stop debating, and indeed calling out (whether you call it shaming is by the by), people who actively seek to write misinformation or cannot back up their opinions with reason and logic. Ironically, you are also someone who is well known for repeatedly posting illogical nonsense in any political thread.

If you don't like it, please feel free to ban me... it wouldn't be the first time mods have abused their privileges over minor slights and e-arguments.

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I know you disagree (they would disapprove of our community, fo sho). But people need to learn to co-habitate. All people.
I can live among them, just so long as their stupidity doesn't affect my life or others who don't deserve it. And voting for Trump which contributes to him being in office for 4 more years, would absolutely affect those lives and for that matter, the world. It is not acceptable.
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America already showed the kind of person it would put above a competent woman for the top job, and those same people now seem to be offended that the number two role might go to a woman too.
Some of those same people probably believe women can be successful on their own merits without needing roles given to them based on their gender.
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Some of those same people probably believe women can be successful on their own merits without needing roles given to them based on their gender.
Perhaps some people believe these women who have risen to a point where they are in contention for such a job, believe they have already been successful on their own merits.

He's not exactly picking his 22 year old personal trainer who he happens to fancy, but from an extremely qualified field of candidates.

Look up the Rooney rule, you'll hopefully understand better then.
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I was born in the Bible belt... you can't believe some of the crap I've read on Facebook where these idiotic evangelicals compare Trump to Solomon and David from the Old Testament.
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The thought of gibbering evangelicals drooling at the idea of hurrying up the rapture by being in control of those shiny red buttons in the whitehouse is frightening indeed.
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Perhaps some people believe these women who have risen to a point where they are in contention for such a job, believe they have already been successful on their own merits.
By Biden stating that he will only select from a field of female candidates, he kind of ruined that for us.
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By Biden stating that he will only select from a field of female candidates, he kind of ruined that for us.
If you look at the potential male running mates:
Tim Kaine (failed with Hillary)
Joe Kennedy (nepotastic)
Bernie (no interest i guess, direct rival with very different politics)
Rohit Khanna (America might be ready for a black christian president, but probably not a Hindu VP)

...then it is probably pure expedience for Biden to pick some qualified women for the role - the men are not up to muster this time round. I'm sorry it troubles you so much that the women in the running are the best candidates for the job.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Fair enough, I agree - Warren would be the best candidate around...but his statement automatically makes it a token choice rather than one made on merit alone & it doesn't set right with me.

Now due to the race struggles going on in America, he is expected to choose a female minority. Is a female minority the best person for the job? I guess we don't get to decide and it is disappointing. Biden is obviously not in top form health wise, and the likelihood of a VP having to take over is high. We need a VP who can actually be POTUS and help clean up the mess the GOP has made for years.
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Fair enough, I agree - Warren would be the best candidate around...but his statement automatically makes it a token choice rather than one made on merit alone & it doesn't set right with me.

Now due to the race struggles going on in America, he is expected to choose a female minority. Is a female minority the best person for the job? I guess we don't get to decide and it is disappointing. Biden is obviously not in top form health wise, and the likelihood of a VP having to take over is high. We need a VP who can actually be POTUS and help clean up the mess the GOP has made for years.
I liked Warrens politics, but as with Bernie they're not on the same line as Biden. I also think she would hurt Bidens chances at the polls as some see her as too radical.
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I liked Warrens politics, but as with Bernie they're not on the same line as Biden. I also think she would hurt Bidens chances at the polls as some see her as too radical.
I know I know...people prefer dinosaurs with archaic policies as opposed to what the country really needs. We are really beyond help aren't we?
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I know you disagree (they would disapprove of our community, fo sho). But people need to learn to co-habitate. All people.
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I know I know...people prefer dinosaurs with archaic policies as opposed to what the country really needs. We are really beyond help aren't we?
With President, Senate, and Congress often from different parties then providing what the country needs can be an uphill struggle; assuming people anyway want to do that in the first place.
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