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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

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'believe women'
Seems her lawyer did not, he resigned from the case.
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Re: Poll: Trump or Biden ?

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It’s a simple question, who DO YOU THINK will win.
Not who are you voting for
Not who deserves or should win.

I’ve read the polls form BBC, FOX, CNN etc. I’m just curious to see what the people from this group think, jeez
Really simple, in times of crisis people tend to stick with the status quo and people have been dumbed down long enough that they won´t question where the misery comes from.
So get used to four more years of trump.
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Old 12.09.2020, 16:24
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Except for her mom corroborating it on Larry King 25+ years ago....but it doesn‘t matter. I don‘t care if he did or didn‘t. I mention this because you used the low #believeallwomen standard. Me personally, I still prefer the courts to decide such matters. Both guys are equally innocent before the law:msntongue
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It’s a simple question, who DO YOU THINK will win.
Not who are you voting for
Not who deserves or should win.

I’ve read the polls form BBC, FOX, CNN etc. I’m just curious to see what the people from this group think, jeez
Actually, I don't think it's really that simple of a question. As far as I know, none of us here are able to predict the future, and there is a difference between hoping someone will win and feeling that you know they will win.

Anyways, I lost any faith I may have once had in the US election system in 2016. It's clearly not up to the American people. It's up to the 538 people that compose the electoral college, and a new law has made it such that they don't even have to vote to represent the popular vote of their state. And considering the way things are going now, with Trump and his team doing their best to limit Americans' right to vote, I think I'd be delusional to have any faith in the system this time around.
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You mean that those are just allegations?
Of course not, just pointing out the endless double standards.

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Absolutely extraordinary that the alleged victim suddenly remembered the horrors of her contact with Biden only after it was apparent that he would be the Democrat nominee standing against multiply alleged and many times more credible sexual assaulter and adulterer Trump.
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Please don't dismiss any woman who claims to be a victim of sexual abuse just because she has managed to bury her experience in her subconscious. That's exactly what the misogynists and deniers do.
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Of course not, just pointing out the endless double standards.

Allegations against Biden:



Allegations against Brett Kavanaugh:



Biden himself, as well as his supporters, asked for the allegations to be properly investigated and for evidence regarding Tara Reade's allegations to be provided. None were provided. Biden even asked for the archives to be searched for her formal complaint. None was found. Then, even Reade's own lawyer quit on her due to the lack of evidence and basically knowing that she "didn't have a leg to stand on," particularly due to Reade having so drastically changed her story. If there is evidence, let that evidence come forward. That's what Biden and all of us were wanting and are still waiting for. This is what Biden said about it:

"While the details of these allegations of sexual harassment and sexual assault are complicated, two things are not complicated. One is that women deserve to be treated with dignity and respect, and when they step forward they should be heard, not silenced. The second is that their stories should be subject to appropriate inquiry and scrutiny."

He said that Reade's story should be heard, and it was. But the fact is, Tara Read changed her story multiple times and never even named Biden in her original accusations.

As for Kavanaugh, Biden didn't have anything to do with that, so stop trying to accuse Biden of being guilty for something simply because of something that had happened to Kavanaugh in the past, which Biden had nothing to do with. During those accusations against Kavanaugh, Biden had stated that Christine Blasey Ford had the right to be heard. And he said the same thing about Tara Reade, his own accuser.

So I hate to break to this to, but the accusations against Kavanaugh -- and whatever may or may not have happened between him and Christine Blasey Ford -- have nothing to do with whatever may or may not have happened between Biden and Tara Reade. And if you're unable to understand or mentally process that, it's because you clearly so desperately want Biden to be deemed and labeled guilty for something despite the fact that no evidence has been provided to justify it, even after Biden himself specifically asked for the accusations to be properly investigated.
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Of course not, just pointing out the endless double standards.
It's similar but not exactly the same, imo.

In the case of Kavanaugh, he was up for a lifetime appointment on the highest court in the land. Prior to that he was on a circuit court and Dr Ford probably didn't think much about him or his impact on the country. When she saw SCOTUS pop up, she decided it was important to speak up about his character.

In the case of Biden, he's been a public figure since dirt was around and has already served two terms as VP. His character and creepiness have been scrutinized over and over. Yet it was only after he became the nominee did the one accuser change her story from "he made me uncomfortable" to "he sexually assaulted me". That's quite a change, and given the seriousness of the allegation I have to ask -

Why not bring such serious allegations forward before he was elected VP and served two terms? Surely he was as dangerous then as he is now, if her accusations are true.
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Why not bring such serious allegations forward before he was elected VP and served two terms? Surely he was as dangerous then as he is now, if her accusations are true.
"Please don't dismiss any woman who claims to be a victim of sexual abuse just because she has managed to bury her experience in her subconscious. That's exactly what the misogynists and deniers do"
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"Please don't dismiss any woman who claims to be a victim of sexual abuse just because she has managed to bury her experience in her subconscious. That's exactly what the misogynists and deniers do"
But Tara Reade didn't "bury her experience in her subconscious." In fact, she even claims to have told some people about it. How would she be able to do that if she had buried it in her subconscious?

The fact is, Tara Reade completely changed her story. And that's one of the reasons why even her own lawyer quit on her and why we're no longer hearing anything about her in the media. She discredited herself and her own story.

So let's flip the script a bit. Let's say you're male (not sure if you are male or female), and all of a sudden some woman comes out of nowhere and starts to publicly accuse you of having once touched her hair and making her feel uncomfortable. Let's say she took that story and used it to get attention in the media. Then, once that attention dwindled down, six month later, she completely changed her story to something entirely different and something much, much more severe. How would you react to that and how would you expect others to react to it?
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But Tara Reade didn't "bury her experience in her subconscious." In fact, she even claims to have told some people about it. How would she be able to do that if she had buried it in her subconscious?
I think the rest of his post covers that too

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But please be aware that not everybody deals with such trauma the way she has. Some subconsciously, or even actively, try to displace the traumatic event from their memories. This is often a "feature" of PTSD, which can occur not only in soldiers in combat zones, but in anybody who undergoes a severe trauma, whether physical or mental.
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I think the rest of his post covers that too
You're missing the bit about Tara Reade never having claimed to bury anything in her subconscious and, again, about the fact that she claims to have told people about it, which negates even the possibility of her having buried anything in her subconscious.

You can try to make Biden guilty all you want, in your mind, but that doesn't mean that he is, and it doesn't change the fact that Tara Reade completely changed her story and that there is no evidence to prove her story or even to back it up.

I can try to claim that you (or anyone) sexually assaulted me 15+ years ago but that doesn't make it true, and my allegations alone don't make it true and doesn't make you -- or anyone -- guilty.

It is interesting, however, that people like yourself choose to ignore all 22 women who have accused Trump of rape and sexual misconduct over the years and yet automatically deem Biden guilty of accusations by one woman who has completely changed her story. At least Biden had the decency to ask for his allegations to be properly investigated, whereas Trump chose to publicly attack and even ridicule his accusers.
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Old 12.09.2020, 21:17
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Of course not, just pointing out the endless double standards.

Allegations against Biden:



Allegations against Brett Kavanaugh:



Can you explain where are the "double standards"?

Everybody is innocent until proven guilty.

Of course, this is an internet forum and we are all entitled to our opinions.
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You're missing the bit about Tara Reade never having claimed to bury anything in her subconscious and, again, about the fact that she claims to have told people about it, which negates even the possibility of her having buried anything in her subconscious.
"Some subconsciously, or even actively, try to displace the traumatic event from their memories"

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It is interesting, however, that people like yourself choose to ignore all 22 women who have accused Trump of rape and sexual misconduct over the years and yet automatically deem Biden guilty of accusations by one woman who has completely changed her story. At least Biden had the decency to ask for his allegations to be properly investigated, whereas Trump chose to publicly attack and even ridicule his accusers.
But 'believe women' is not my standard to uphold. I do not believe women, I find the idea ridiculous.

This is about holding people accountable to the standards they profess to support.
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Old 12.09.2020, 21:35
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Honestly, I think though in the end what bothers me the most is the same thing as four years ago. One candidate is being ripped apart for every thing that he says by the media and the other is being treated with kid gloves and sort of dragged to the finish line. It’s just incomprehensible to me that in a modern society, we are treated by the media like the kid in the “Emperor’s new Clothes” story or gaslighted in other words.

I consider myself a republican and vote for those values. I don’t share all conservative viewpoints (I don’t support a death penalty, I don’t support the huge military spending, etc) There are better candidates than Trump, but they have not established themselves on the stage. I could even see myself voting for a centrist if the views were presented well and were consistent with the candidates actions. I will end up voting for Trump as a protest vote. If the media had fair coverage and blasted both candidates (as they both should and need to be criticized), I might have voted 3rd party (Libertarian)
Well to be fair, Trump does a lot of stuff that generates banner headlines.

If you want to claim that the media has a pattern of behaviour that ignores similar newsworthy Democrat stories then you need to give some examples, one such story is insufficient to demonstrate a pattern.

In the last few days we have heard tapes of Trump saying he ignored the evidence in February that the pandemic was six times more dangerous than flu. Today we heard that the Trump administration has been altering and delaying US CDC scientific reports on the status of COVID-19.

We also have the absurd situation of Trump blaming the State Governors for doing insufficient when he did not share with them in February the evidence that he had of the dangers.
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Well to be fair, Trump does a lot of stuff that generates banner headlines.

If you want to claim that the media has a pattern of behaviour that ignores similar newsworthy Democrat stories then you need to give some examples, one such story is insufficient to demonstrate a pattern.

In the last few days we have heard tapes of Trump saying he ignored the evidence in February that the pandemic was six times more dangerous than flu. Today we heard that the Trump administration has been altering and delaying US CDC scientific reports on the status of COVID-19.

We also have the absurd situation of Trump blaming the State Governors for doing insufficient when he did not share with them in February the evidence that he had of the dangers.
I can't believe Trump is using White House time to campaign for his election. But what I find more horrifying is that there's no regulation that keeps him from doing that. That man is so empowered by the Republicans in the House.
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"Some subconsciously, or even actively, try to displace the traumatic event from their memories"



But 'believe women' is not my standard to uphold. I do not believe women, I find the idea ridiculous.

This is about holding people accountable to the standards they profess to support.
Well, women are a lot easier to believe when they don't completely change their story. And no, this isn't about holding people accountable to the standards they profess to support. This about Joe Biden being accused of sexual assault by a woman who has completely changed her story -- a story for which there is no evidence. However, Biden has lived up to the standards that he professes to support. He asked for evidence and he asked for the allegations to be investigated. But clearly your mind perceives the issue through the lens of your cognitive bias, because you want Biden to be guilty. You wouldn't even make it onto the jury.
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Welcome to Ohio.

https://www.wlwt.com/article/parade-...loop/34000537#

I saw a Subaru with a Trump/ Pence sticker.

Side note: I like the Trump-themed wife beater!
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It is interesting, however, that people like yourself choose to ignore all 22 women who have accused Trump of rape and sexual misconduct over the years and yet automatically deem Biden guilty of accusations by one woman who has completely changed her story. At least Biden had the decency to ask for his allegations to be properly investigated, whereas Trump chose to publicly attack and even ridicule his accusers.
Just think; Full Circle, from reading his previous public posts, has kids. It puts all of his many terrible posts into an even more tragic light. Imagine what an impact such twisted world and ethical views are going to have on the development of impressionable young kids.

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Just think; Full Circle, from reading his previous public posts, has kids. It puts all of his many terrible posts into an even more tragic light. Imagine what an impact such twisted world and ethical views are going to have on the development of impressionable young kids.
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I sincerely mean every word of it; the thought of children growing up with that kind of awful moral influence on their development, potentially creating multiple more Full Circle's, genuinely disturbs me.
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