The most powerful country in the world has to chose between a low-life pathological liar and a demented senile old man. The latter is still better than the former, Sad but True.

A very good friend of ours died recently at 98 years. Up until her passing she was as sharp as a pin. No sign of dementia or senility.

And let’s face it, he wouldn’t be the first (from Snopes)

I didn't mean to imply that you think it's Ok. Your earlier post makes it clear you don't, so I thought there's no need to formulate mine particularly carefully.

I meant the sanctimonious people, like HartMoss, who think any means justifies their aim (which, usually, is anything but equal rights and opportunities btw), including being -ist in their makebelieve struggle against the same and other -isms.

You don't debate.

She lost the primaries against an old man who supposedly has demenita. And it wasn't even close.

She even lost badly against Bernie, who was only a sad shadow of the energizing Bernie of 2016.

She treated the debates like some sort of debating club for retired professors, showing off who has the smartest intellect or the spiciest comeback lines, not as a platform on which to convince people to support her.

It was as if she wasn't even trying to win.

She's going to have to do a lot of homework if she wants another run.

A lot of Americans I know have told me that last time many middle road and Democrats didn't bother voting as they assumed there was no way Trump could win.

The result was a big lesson for them and this time those that didn't vote last time will this time, for anyone, as long as it means getting rid of trump.

With you? Of course not, what would be the point in that?

Sad but true. They just needed one meat sack that had a pulse and could speak in a coherent manner to the center and it would have been a slam dunk reversal.


Unfortunately, they all raced each other over the far left cliff.

Beto O'Rourke: 'Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47', said no president EVER.

Which way round are they?

Warren’s policies are what matter most. She is the perfect middle ground between Bernie & the establishment, and her political history shows she knows her stuff and knows how to make things happen. Regarding her debate history, she shot herself in the foot & lost my primary vote when she unfairly took on Bernie. She somewhat redeemed herself when she destroyed Bloomberg later on. She tried harder than any candidate to win with numerous plans & hard core campaigning...I guess you weren’t paying attention - but that’s probably because of your clear biases shown on this forum.

Regarding Biden, it was always clear that the establishment would do whatever it took to get him nominated.

Mathematically eliminated from contention. He will not make the ballot in enough states in order to get enough Electoral College votes.

They might be qualified and articulate, but they are also older candidates and too far left to pick up enough middle and right voters to win. The Democratic establishment knew that.

I disagree any choice is automatically a token. There are many qualified women who would be a good VP. Biden isn't exactly fit as a fiddle, imo, so there's a real possibility that whoever he chooses could wind up taking over.

Excuses excuses. Anyone who has ever been involved with electoral politics knows that women tend to poll slightly higher than men all other things being equal. You can see this in elections with multiple vacancies where women candidates (and those with names earlier in the alphabet) outpoll men and those with names later in the alphabet.

And of course female major party leaders have won 4/4 UK general elections in which they have participated. Likewise look at Germany with Merkel. There is not much evidence that western democracies will not vote for women at the highest levels. If anything its quite the contrary.

Hiliary lost because she ran a totally incompetent and frankly arrogant campaign ignoring both the demographics Trump was targeting and the obvious swing states. She managed to run a more narcissistic campaign than a full blown narcissist, who despite his character almost entirely consisting of faults, at least tried to reach out to people. I mean - it really was incompetent. What was she doing by investing next to nothing in the most important states.

She tried to get people to vote for her "because" she is a woman (glass ceiling and all that). That was deservedly rejected. I can't really remember her saying anything else the whole campaign. Trump's campaign slogan was memorable if not original "make America great again". What was Hiliarys?

I think people really overlook the power of the progressive vote. The majority of millennials & Generation X are predominantly progressive. If you are involved in political forums, you will read that many are refusing to vote for Biden in this election. The old school more conservative vote is literally dying out. Choosing an establishment candidate (who was far more convincing than Biden) didn’t work last time, why in the world would they think it would work again?

I can't disagree with you enough re. Warren and Sanders. As someone who would naturally be a purpely voter in the US (suburban decently earning professional who wants low taxes but doesn't do god or social conservatism), they would put me straight into the arms of Trump, on a better the devil you know position (don't get me wrong - I detest him).

Biden might be as dull as dishwater, but hes not actively repelling, and that matters. I'd vote Biden.

Why the hell would a "progressive" not vote for Biden. He's more progressive than Trump. All this "Bernie for Trump" thing in 2016 - did it ever materialise?

People have been saying that since the 1960s. How are the septuagenarian flower children voting now?

If anything, aging demographics represent an uphill slope for "progressives".

So you are a greedy Republican, who wants to remain a Republican? Shocking!

FYI - most of the Republicans that care about low taxes don’t do god either.

What?

She makes Bernie look right-wing.

She's a nutter (and a liar).

Tom

Seems like you would favo(u)r running a Jeremy Corbyn style far left campaign in the US. Run around with millions of enthusiastic young kids identifying all the swing voters, telling them they are awful tories/republicans, and then being surprised when they vote tory/republican and you suffer the worst election defeat in 90 years!

This progressive is voting for Biden because the alternative is inexcusable. I can understand why others might not, perhaps they are tired of not being heard & want to watch it all burn.

You can’t see things now for they way they are & say it’s still working. Your age is clearly showing.

Not sure that actually bears out.

Hiliarys 2016 vote was almost identical to that of Obamas in 2012 (60,000 down).

On the other hand, Trump put on 2,000,000 votes over Romney 2012 (and in the right place - e.g. 400,000 down in California, 400,000 up in florida.)

Its also worth mentioning that your friends could well live/vote in safe blue state, which trump really couldn't win.