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Old 10.08.2020, 14:56
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

The most powerful country in the world has to chose between a low-life pathological liar and a demented senile old man. The latter is still better than the former, Sad but True.
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The most powerful country in the world has to chose between a low-life pathological liar and a demented senile old man. The latter is still better than the former, Sad but True.
A very good friend of ours died recently at 98 years. Up until her passing she was as sharp as a pin. No sign of dementia or senility.

And let’s face it, he wouldn’t be the first (from Snopes)

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Even Reagan’s own son, Ron, sensed something was wrong at the time. He wrote in his 2011 book, My Father at 100: A Memoir, that he first became concerned that “something beyond mellowing” was afflicting his father three years into Reagan’s first term. Of the latter’s bumbling debate performance against Walter Mondale in 1984, the younger Reagan observed:

At 73, Ronald Reagan would be the oldest president ever re-elected. Some voters were beginning to imagine grandpa — who can never find his reading glasses — in charge of a bristling nuclear arsenal, and it was making them nervous. Worse, my father now seemed to be giving them legitimate reason for concern. My heart sank as he floundered his way through his responses, fumbling with his notes, uncharacteristically lost for words. He looked tired and bewildered.
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I am a proud feminist and I DON'T think it is OK. It goes against exactly what we are fighting for, which is equality. Warren would have been outstanding choice, not because of her sex, but because of her qualifications.
I didn't mean to imply that you think it's Ok. Your earlier post makes it clear you don't, so I thought there's no need to formulate mine particularly carefully.

I meant the sanctimonious people, like HartMoss, who think any means justifies their aim (which, usually, is anything but equal rights and opportunities btw), including being -ist in their makebelieve struggle against the same and other -isms.
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You don't debate.
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I liked Warrens politics, but as with Bernie they're not on the same line as Biden. I also think she would hurt Bidens chances at the polls as some see her as too radical.
She lost the primaries against an old man who supposedly has demenita. And it wasn't even close.

She even lost badly against Bernie, who was only a sad shadow of the energizing Bernie of 2016.

She treated the debates like some sort of debating club for retired professors, showing off who has the smartest intellect or the spiciest comeback lines, not as a platform on which to convince people to support her.

It was as if she wasn't even trying to win.

She's going to have to do a lot of homework if she wants another run.
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Old 10.08.2020, 18:14
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

A lot of Americans I know have told me that last time many middle road and Democrats didn't bother voting as they assumed there was no way Trump could win.

The result was a big lesson for them and this time those that didn't vote last time will this time, for anyone, as long as it means getting rid of trump.
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You don't debate.
With you? Of course not, what would be the point in that?
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Old 10.08.2020, 19:27
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If I had to guess I'd say trump wins it again. The Dems couldn't have picked a worse candidate unless they asked Hilary to run again.
Sad but true. They just needed one meat sack that had a pulse and could speak in a coherent manner to the center and it would have been a slam dunk reversal.


Unfortunately, they all raced each other over the far left cliff.

Beto O'Rourke: 'Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47', said no president EVER.
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The most powerful country in the world has to chose between a low-life pathological liar and a demented senile old man. The latter is still better than the former, Sad but True.
Which way round are they?
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She lost the primaries against an old man who supposedly has demenita. And it wasn't even close.

She even lost badly against Bernie, who was only a sad shadow of the energizing Bernie of 2016.

She treated the debates like some sort of debating club for retired professors, showing off who has the smartest intellect or the spiciest comeback lines, not as a platform on which to convince people to support her.

It was as if she wasn't even trying to win.

She's going to have to do a lot of homework if she wants another run.
Warren’s policies are what matter most. She is the perfect middle ground between Bernie & the establishment, and her political history shows she knows her stuff and knows how to make things happen. Regarding her debate history, she shot herself in the foot & lost my primary vote when she unfairly took on Bernie. She somewhat redeemed herself when she destroyed Bloomberg later on. She tried harder than any candidate to win with numerous plans & hard core campaigning...I guess you weren’t paying attention - but that’s probably because of your clear biases shown on this forum.

Regarding Biden, it was always clear that the establishment would do whatever it took to get him nominated.
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Old 10.08.2020, 21:08
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Well my money is on Kayne West-he's for sure the most intelligent of them all
Mathematically eliminated from contention. He will not make the ballot in enough states in order to get enough Electoral College votes.

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...Two qualified, articulate candidates (Warren & Sanders), who know exactly what America needs now, & they chose the creepy establishment guy also in mental decline. Not to mention whoever his VP token choice will be, which we know will not be chosen for their experience or qualifications, but for their genitalia & the color of their skin...
They might be qualified and articulate, but they are also older candidates and too far left to pick up enough middle and right voters to win. The Democratic establishment knew that.

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Fair enough, I agree - Warren would be the best candidate around...but his statement automatically makes it a token choice rather than one made on merit alone & it doesn't set right with me.

Now due to the race struggles going on in America, he is expected to choose a female minority. Is a female minority the best person for the job? I guess we don't get to decide and it is disappointing. Biden is obviously not in top form health wise, and the likelihood of a VP having to take over is high. We need a VP who can actually be POTUS and help clean up the mess the GOP has made for years.
I disagree any choice is automatically a token. There are many qualified women who would be a good VP. Biden isn't exactly fit as a fiddle, imo, so there's a real possibility that whoever he chooses could wind up taking over.
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As opposed to the 90 odd other terms where only a man could be in the running?

America already showed the kind of person it would put above a competent woman for the top job, and those same people now seem to be offended that the number two role might go to a woman too.

What sad little men they are.
Excuses excuses. Anyone who has ever been involved with electoral politics knows that women tend to poll slightly higher than men all other things being equal. You can see this in elections with multiple vacancies where women candidates (and those with names earlier in the alphabet) outpoll men and those with names later in the alphabet.

And of course female major party leaders have won 4/4 UK general elections in which they have participated. Likewise look at Germany with Merkel. There is not much evidence that western democracies will not vote for women at the highest levels. If anything its quite the contrary.

Hiliary lost because she ran a totally incompetent and frankly arrogant campaign ignoring both the demographics Trump was targeting and the obvious swing states. She managed to run a more narcissistic campaign than a full blown narcissist, who despite his character almost entirely consisting of faults, at least tried to reach out to people. I mean - it really was incompetent. What was she doing by investing next to nothing in the most important states.

She tried to get people to vote for her "because" she is a woman (glass ceiling and all that). That was deservedly rejected. I can't really remember her saying anything else the whole campaign. Trump's campaign slogan was memorable if not original "make America great again". What was Hiliarys?

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They might be qualified and articulate, but they are also older candidates and too far left to pick up enough middle and right voters to win. The Democratic establishment knew that.
I think people really overlook the power of the progressive vote. The majority of millennials & Generation X are predominantly progressive. If you are involved in political forums, you will read that many are refusing to vote for Biden in this election. The old school more conservative vote is literally dying out. Choosing an establishment candidate (who was far more convincing than Biden) didn’t work last time, why in the world would they think it would work again?
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If Trump wins again, I’m officially burning my passport & my country deserves what it gets.

Biden as the other option shows just how backwards my country is. Two qualified, articulate candidates (Warren & Sanders), who know exactly what America needs now, & they chose the creepy establishment guy also in mental decline. Not to mention whoever his VP token choice will be, which we know will not be chosen for their experience or qualifications, but for their genitalia & the color of their skin.

Whatever the option, things aren’t looking good. But one thing is clear, Trump needs to get out of office now. Anyone who supports him is either a horrible person or severely lacking in intelligence.
I can't disagree with you enough re. Warren and Sanders. As someone who would naturally be a purpely voter in the US (suburban decently earning professional who wants low taxes but doesn't do god or social conservatism), they would put me straight into the arms of Trump, on a better the devil you know position (don't get me wrong - I detest him).

Biden might be as dull as dishwater, but hes not actively repelling, and that matters. I'd vote Biden.

Why the hell would a "progressive" not vote for Biden. He's more progressive than Trump. All this "Bernie for Trump" thing in 2016 - did it ever materialise?

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I think people really overlook the power of the progressive vote. The majority of millennials & Generation X are predominantly progressive. If you are involved in political forums, you will read that many are refusing to vote for Biden in this election. The old school more conservative vote is literally dying out. Choosing an establishment candidate (who was far more convincing than Biden) didn’t work last time, why in the world would they think it would work again?
People have been saying that since the 1960s. How are the septuagenarian flower children voting now?

If anything, aging demographics represent an uphill slope for "progressives".
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I can't disagree with you enough re. Warren and Sanders. As someone who would naturally be a purpely voter in the US (suburban decently earning professional who wants low taxes but doesn't do god or social conservatism), they would put me straight into the arms of Trump, on a better the devil you know position (don't get me wrong - I detest him).

Biden might be as dull as dishwater, but hes not actively repelling, and that matters. I'd vote Biden.
So you are a greedy Republican, who wants to remain a Republican? Shocking!

FYI - most of the Republicans that care about low taxes donít do god either.
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Warren’s policies are what matter most. She is the perfect middle ground between Bernie & the establishment.
What?

She makes Bernie look right-wing.

She's a nutter (and a liar).

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So you are a greedy Republican, who wants to remain a Republican? Shocking!

FYI - most of the Republicans that care about low taxes don’t do god either.


Seems like you would favo(u)r running a Jeremy Corbyn style far left campaign in the US. Run around with millions of enthusiastic young kids identifying all the swing voters, telling them they are awful tories/republicans, and then being surprised when they vote tory/republican and you suffer the worst election defeat in 90 years!
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Why the hell would a "progressive" not vote for Biden. He's more progressive than Trump. All this "Bernie for Trump" thing in 2016 - did it ever materialise?
This progressive is voting for Biden because the alternative is inexcusable. I can understand why others might not, perhaps they are tired of not being heard & want to watch it all burn.

You canít see things now for they way they are & say itís still working. Your age is clearly showing.
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A lot of Americans I know have told me that last time many middle road and Democrats didn't bother voting as they assumed there was no way Trump could win.

The result was a big lesson for them and this time those that didn't vote last time will this time, for anyone, as long as it means getting rid of trump.
Not sure that actually bears out.

Hiliarys 2016 vote was almost identical to that of Obamas in 2012 (60,000 down).

On the other hand, Trump put on 2,000,000 votes over Romney 2012 (and in the right place - e.g. 400,000 down in California, 400,000 up in florida.)

Its also worth mentioning that your friends could well live/vote in safe blue state, which trump really couldn't win.
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