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2016: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas): “It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. There is a long tradition that you don’t do this in an election year.”

2018: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.): “If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump’s term, and the primary process has started, we’ll wait to the next election.”

2016: Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.): “I don’t think we should be moving on a nominee in the last year of this president’s term - I would say that if it was a Republican president.”

2016: Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.): “The very balance of our nation’s highest court is in serious jeopardy. As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I will do everything in my power to encourage the president and Senate leadership not to start this process until we hear from the American people.”

2016: Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa): “A lifetime appointment that could dramatically impact individual freedoms and change the direction of the court for at least a generation is too important to get bogged down in politics. The American people shouldn’t be denied a voice.”

2016: Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.): “The campaign is already under way. It is essential to the institution of the Senate and to the very health of our republic to not launch our nation into a partisan, divisive confirmation battle during the very same time the American people are casting their ballots to elect our next president.”

2016: Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.): “In this election year, the American people will have an opportunity to have their say in the future direction of our country. For this reason, I believe the vacancy left open by Justice Antonin Scalia should not be filled until there is a new president.”

2016: Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.): “The Senate should not confirm a new Supreme Court justice until we have a new president.”

2016: Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Col.): “I think we’re too close to the election. The president who is elected in November should be the one who makes this decision.”

2016: Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio): “I believe the best thing for the country is to trust the American people to weigh in on who should make a lifetime appointment that could reshape the Supreme Court for generations. This wouldn’t be unusual. It is common practice for the Senate to stop acting on lifetime appointments during the last year of a presidential term, and it’s been nearly 80 years since any president was permitted to immediately fill a vacancy that arose in a presidential election year.”

2016: Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.): “I strongly agree that the American people should decide the future direction of the Supreme Court by their votes for president and the majority party in the U.S. Senate.”
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2016: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas): “It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. There is a long tradition that you don’t do this in an election year.”

2018: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.): “If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump’s term, and the primary process has started, we’ll wait to the next election.”

2016: Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.): “I don’t think we should be moving on a nominee in the last year of this president’s term - I would say that if it was a Republican president.”

2016: Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.): “The very balance of our nation’s highest court is in serious jeopardy. As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I will do everything in my power to encourage the president and Senate leadership not to start this process until we hear from the American people.”

2016: Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa): “A lifetime appointment that could dramatically impact individual freedoms and change the direction of the court for at least a generation is too important to get bogged down in politics. The American people shouldn’t be denied a voice.”

2016: Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.): “The campaign is already under way. It is essential to the institution of the Senate and to the very health of our republic to not launch our nation into a partisan, divisive confirmation battle during the very same time the American people are casting their ballots to elect our next president.”

2016: Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.): “In this election year, the American people will have an opportunity to have their say in the future direction of our country. For this reason, I believe the vacancy left open by Justice Antonin Scalia should not be filled until there is a new president.”

2016: Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.): “The Senate should not confirm a new Supreme Court justice until we have a new president.”

2016: Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Col.): “I think we’re too close to the election. The president who is elected in November should be the one who makes this decision.”

2016: Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio): “I believe the best thing for the country is to trust the American people to weigh in on who should make a lifetime appointment that could reshape the Supreme Court for generations. This wouldn’t be unusual. It is common practice for the Senate to stop acting on lifetime appointments during the last year of a presidential term, and it’s been nearly 80 years since any president was permitted to immediately fill a vacancy that arose in a presidential election year.”

2016: Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.): “I strongly agree that the American people should decide the future direction of the Supreme Court by their votes for president and the majority party in the U.S. Senate.”
Im not a republican, my position isn't based on what they've said in the past it's based on the facts of the matter and the constitution. It's just a basic fact they have a democratic mandate until the date of the election as defined by the constitution.

Remember, the dems tried this it last time (and given they didn't control the senate didn't have a complete mandate), - so both sides are inconsistent in their approach and trying to have their cake and eat it with the comments they've made. Im not suprised - I find both sides appalling. Joe Bidens hypocrisy is pretty much a mirror image of that of the Republicans. See https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usn...Fcontext%3Damp

Personally hoping for a Biden presidency and a republican senate so Trump is out and the two parties cancel each other out - no woke activism and no going back to the 1950s and imposing Christian fundamentalism.

In the even Trump wins i hope for a democratic senate.

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Old 21.09.2020, 08:11
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2016: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas): “It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. There is a long tradition that you don’t do this in an election year.”

2018: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.): “If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump’s term, and the primary process has started, we’ll wait to the next election.”

2016: Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.): “I don’t think we should be moving on a nominee in the last year of this president’s term - I would say that if it was a Republican president.”

2016: Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.): “The very balance of our nation’s highest court is in serious jeopardy. As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I will do everything in my power to encourage the president and Senate leadership not to start this process until we hear from the American people.”

2016: Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa): “A lifetime appointment that could dramatically impact individual freedoms and change the direction of the court for at least a generation is too important to get bogged down in politics. The American people shouldn’t be denied a voice.”

2016: Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.): “The campaign is already under way. It is essential to the institution of the Senate and to the very health of our republic to not launch our nation into a partisan, divisive confirmation battle during the very same time the American people are casting their ballots to elect our next president.”

2016: Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.): “In this election year, the American people will have an opportunity to have their say in the future direction of our country. For this reason, I believe the vacancy left open by Justice Antonin Scalia should not be filled until there is a new president.”

2016: Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.): “The Senate should not confirm a new Supreme Court justice until we have a new president.”

2016: Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Col.): “I think we’re too close to the election. The president who is elected in November should be the one who makes this decision.”

2016: Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio): “I believe the best thing for the country is to trust the American people to weigh in on who should make a lifetime appointment that could reshape the Supreme Court for generations. This wouldn’t be unusual. It is common practice for the Senate to stop acting on lifetime appointments during the last year of a presidential term, and it’s been nearly 80 years since any president was permitted to immediately fill a vacancy that arose in a presidential election year.”

2016: Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.): “I strongly agree that the American people should decide the future direction of the Supreme Court by their votes for president and the majority party in the U.S. Senate.”
For balance let's be reminded what the Democrats said in 2016?

https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/st...52041553879040

Or better still the President?!

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/stat...13502583369728

It's RIDICULOUS to point to at what the Republicans when the roles have reversed completely. They're both as bad as each other!!
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Old 21.09.2020, 08:38
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Im not a republican, my position isn't based on what they've said in the past it's based on the facts of the matter and the constitution. It's just a basic fact they have a democratic mandate until the date of the election as defined by the constitution.

Remember, the dems tried this it last time (and given they didn't control the senate didn't have a complete mandate), - so both sides are inconsistent in their approach and trying to have their cake and eat it with the comments they've made. Im not suprised - I find both sides appalling. Joe Bidens hypocrisy is pretty much a mirror image of that of the Republicans. See https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usn...Fcontext%3Damp

Personally hoping for a Biden presidency and a republican senate so Trump is out and the two parties cancel each other out - no woke activism and no going back to the 1950s and imposing Christian fundamentalism.

In the even Trump wins i hope for a democratic senate.
Well, speaking of balance... The way I see it, what is most important is whether or not Trump's opportunity to elect a third Justice will ensure some degree of balance in the Supreme Court. That is the intention of Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution, known as the Appointments Clause, which allows the president to nominate Justices (and then that Justice to be confirmed by the Senate). This Clause was put in place as part of a system of "checks and balances." But the flaw in its design that is by allowing Justices to serve life terms and to be appointed by Presidents, this means that under the right conditions, the Supreme Court can end up consisting of primarily (or only) conservatives or liberals, which in turn undermines the original intent of trying to ensure balance.

So as it now stands, with Trump appointing a third Justice to the Supreme Court, we will now have a Supreme Court that is composed primarily of conservatives that were appointed by Republican presidents, for a ratio of 3:6, with conservatives composing 2/3rds of the Supreme Court.

Also, the problem with allowing Justices to serve life terms (or until and if they choose to resign) is that that rule was very loosely defined in the Constitution back when the average life span of Americans was about 45 years old. We are now living in a time when the average life span of Americans has doubled since then, currently at ~78.8 years. And that has equated to Supreme Court Justices now serving, on average, twice as long as they were in the past, meaning that they are being replaced much less frequently in order to help ensure some degree of balance.

"With Americans living more than twice as long as they did 150 years ago, a life term means that justices typically count their stints in decades. In 2006 two law professors, Steven Calabresi and James Lindgren, noted that justices serving before 1970 served an average of 14.9 years, while those serving after 1970 have served 26.1 years. The five most recent justices to leave the court have served an average of 27.5 years."
https://www.economist.com/the-econom...uch-long-terms

So my point with all of this is that what I think has been made apparent -- or should be apparent -- is a recognition of the flaws in the US Constitution and the system in general. In this case, in regard to appointing Supreme Court Justices. Imagine a film about an alien civilization that strictly adheres to a set of laws simply because they were set forth in a book or document hundreds of years ago that is still worshiped today as "ultimate truth" and as though it's infallible and is never questioned in terms of its modern-day relevance and whether or not those laws make sense. We are, in many ways, that civilization.

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Im not a republican, my position isn't based on what they've said in the past it's based on the facts of the matter and the constitution. It's just a basic fact they have a democratic mandate until the date of the election as defined by the constitution.

Remember, the dems tried this it last time (and given they didn't control the senate didn't have a complete mandate), - so both sides are inconsistent in their approach and trying to have their cake and eat it with the comments they've made. Im not suprised - I find both sides appalling. Joe Bidens hypocrisy is pretty much a mirror image of that of the Republicans. See https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usn...Fcontext%3Damp

Personally hoping for a Biden presidency and a republican senate so Trump is out and the two parties cancel each other out - no woke activism and no going back to the 1950s and imposing Christian fundamentalism.

In the even Trump wins i hope for a democratic senate.
Except that if you look at the actual statements of say Grassley, Portman for example, they are eschewing politics. They say. No one even mentions a mandate. The mandate stuff is after the fact. It’s all bs.
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It's RIDICULOUS to point to at what the Republicans when the roles have reversed completely. They're both as bad as each other!!
This is very difficult for some people to comprehend.
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Trump finds a new low and mocks Ginsburg's dying wish.
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NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg, a longtime friend of late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, reported that the justice had dictated the following statement to granddaughter Clara Spera, a lawyer, days before she died on Friday: "My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed."

Trump suggested on Monday that Democratic politicians are the ones who really wrote Ginsburg's statement.

"I don't know that she said that, or was that written out by Adam Schiff and Schumer and Pelosi.
I would be more inclined to the second, OK? That came out of the wind," Trump said. "It sounds so beautiful. But that sounds like a Schumer deal or maybe a Pelosi or shifty Schiff.
So that came out of the wind. Let's see. I mean, maybe she did and maybe she didn't."
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Old 21.09.2020, 20:26
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This is very difficult for some people to comprehend.
For once I agree with you FC; I also have no idea what TC's sentence means, can somebody kindly translate "to at what the Republicans when" into English?
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Here’s a thought. Mandate - in that more than 50% (50) US senators are Republican. Another mandate is that the number of people represented by Republican senators is decidedly less than 50% - not my words, an idea advanced by Heather Cox Richardson, historian and professor at Boston College. Back to the old question of what matters most. Citizens or political units.
Anyway, it’s a thought.
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For once I agree with you FC; I also have no idea what TC's sentence means, can somebody kindly translate "to at what the Republicans when" into English?
Steady on, marton, English isn't TonyClifton's native tongue, after all.
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If ANYONE tries to peddle this BS about Trump being in perfect cognitive health then just show them this video...



Holy ****... this is true deragement. Actual insane ramblings. Can you imagine that this is a president, saying these things? It is utterly mind-boggling.

Anyone who defends this stuff as normal and compares it favourable to Joe Biden is either genuinely delusional or an outright liar. There is no in-between.
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Anyone who defends this stuff as normal and compares it favourable to Joe Biden is either genuinely delusional or an outright liar. There is no in-between.
You should consider diversifying who you follow on social media. Such an attitude is not healthy.
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Being told me 'attitude is not healthy' by one of the forums biggest laughing stocks, a guy who engages in constant Trump-advocacy and apologism and COVID19 denial among other things... comedy gold.
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Being told me 'attitude is not healthy' by one of the forums biggest laughing stocks, a guy who engages in constant Trump-advocacy and apologism and COVID19 denial among other things... comedy gold.
"Trump advocacy" "COVID19 denial" only shows how much you've been paying attention

The problem is that people like you, and to be fair there's millions of them, cannot for one moment see the argument or views of those on the other side of the debate. You honestly believe they are delusional. 60 million Americans cannot all be delusional. Such a bleak outlook could see the US on the brink of civil war.
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Such a bleak outlook could see the US on the brink of civil war.
I fear this as well. What's happening is that America is becoming a two-culture country:

Culture A: Conservative
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I've never seen both sides as polorised as now and I blame Trump for that. A President is supposed to bring a nation together and not divide them.
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I fear this as well. What's happening is that America is becoming a two-culture country:

Culture A: Conservative
Culture B: Liberal

I've never seen both sides as polorised as now and I blame Trump for that. A President is supposed to bring a nation together and not divide them.
I don't, President Trump is the symptom of a wider issue, not the cause. I blame people like Chuff who are unable or unwilling to see the other side of the debate and dismiss them as "delusional". Even then, it's not his fault, it's the rise in social media echo chambers where people are drip fed opinions that fully align with their own so the only conclusion they can come to is that the other side is "delusional".
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I don't, President Trump is the symptom of a wider issue, not the cause. I blame people like Chuff who are unable or unwilling to see the other side of the debate and dismiss them as "delusional". Even then, it's not his fault, it's the rise in social media echo chambers where people are drip fed opinions that fully align with their own so the only conclusion they can come to is that the other side is "delusional".
The problem is that both sides are on the attack, as evident in your own post.
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"Trump advocacy" "COVID19 denial" only shows how much you've been paying attention

The problem is that people like you, and to be fair there's millions of them, cannot for one moment see the argument or views of those on the other side of the debate. You honestly believe they are delusional. 60 million Americans cannot all be delusional. Such a bleak outlook could see the US on the brink of civil war.
So the 65,853,514 Americans who voted against were delusional
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Ooooh, someone just watched "Social Dilemma" and now they are a sociology expert also. Add that to your epidemiology-expert status that you achieved in the past 6 months. Bravo!
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The problem is that both sides are on the attack, as evident in your own post.
Yes, they are and this is a problem. Look at the US, everything is lined up for, well civil war is probably too strong a word, but something. You can't have two sides so divided and so entrenched without something giving at some point.

Whatever the outcome in November, the worst possible outcome is that it will be close. A similar result to last time, in either way, could result in violence.

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Ooooh, someone just watched "Social Dilemma" and now they are a sociology expert also. Add that to your epidemiology-expert status that you achieved in the past 6 months. Bravo!
Another one that doesn't like contrasting views and opinions you're the one that has named me epidemiology expert, I've never pretended so much as to be one!
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