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Old 22.09.2020, 10:11
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I fear this as well. What's happening is that America is becoming a two-culture country:

Culture A: Conservative
Culture B: Liberal

I've never seen both sides as polorised as now and I blame Trump for that. A President is supposed to bring a nation together and not divide them.
I'd expand that a bit.

Culture A: far right nut job/conspiracy theorist
Culture B: conservative but more towards moderate
Culture C: liberal, but leaning closer to moderate
Culture D: bleeding heart socialist liberal

I'd argue most Americans fall into categories B and C, the middle ground. However the fringe views on both sides get the most social media and MSM coverage. Trump fans the flames quite successfully.

IMO we're less divided than we think, it's just that any little difference is magnified into a mountain.
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Old 22.09.2020, 10:18
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..... I've never pretended so much as to be one!
22, you are probably correct, here is another example

Actually, for once I agree with TC "Whatever the outcome in November, the worst possible outcome is that it will be close.".
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Old 22.09.2020, 10:49
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"Trump advocacy" "COVID19 denial" only shows how much you've been paying attention
You do all of that, you just think you are a lot more subtle than you actually are. I have said it before and I will say it again, if you tried to present your views in real life you would be humiliated and laughed out of the room. I know this, you know this, we all know this.

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The problem is that people like you, and to be fair there's millions of them, cannot for one moment see the argument or views of those on the other side of the debate. You honestly believe they are delusional. 60 million Americans cannot all be delusional. Such a bleak outlook could see the US on the brink of civil war.
I can always aim to see and understand things from the 'other side', it's literally my day job to do that. However, that doesn't mean for a second that after doing so I then magically somehow agree with what is on the 'other side'. Sometimes there are things are said and done that are just fundamentally and morally wrong to a scale where they must be opposed.

The internet gives people like yourself and Full Circle (and I genuinely believe that you two are the two most insidious characters of this entire forum) a platform to express your awful views, in your different ways (you are more subtle and operate under a veneer of outrage when challenged, whereas he just doesn't care what people think), without all of that 'hassle' of having to actually own up to them and be judged in person. I think, and I have said it before, that in real-life you would be humiliated and laughed out of the room when pushing any of this crap that you do on the forums.
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Anyone who defends this stuff as normal and compares it favourable to Joe Biden is either genuinely delusional or an outright liar. There is no in-between.
You have a very narrow definition of normal. I think it's time to recall the wise words of that great philosopher Trevor Noah on this subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPrJxTvgdQ
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C’mon you guys. Play the ball not the player.

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Old 22.09.2020, 13:32
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Yes, they are and this is a problem. Look at the US, everything is lined up for, well civil war is probably too strong a word, but something. You can't have two sides so divided and so entrenched without something giving at some point.

Whatever the outcome in November, the worst possible outcome is that it will be close. A similar result to last time, in either way, could result in violence.



Another one that doesn't like contrasting views and opinions you're the one that has named me epidemiology expert, I've never pretended so much as to be one!

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The internet gives people like yourself and Full Circle (and I genuinely believe that you two are the two most insidious characters of this entire forum) a platform to express your awful views, in your different ways (you are more subtle and operate under a veneer of outrage when challenged, whereas he just doesn't care what people think), without all of that 'hassle' of having to actually own up to them and be judged in person. I think, and I have said it before, that in real-life you would be humiliated and laughed out of the room when pushing any of this crap that you do on the forums.
I think TonyClifton is right, you may need to diversify the circles you're in as you seem to live in a bit of a bubble where everyone agrees with you.
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Old 22.09.2020, 14:47
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I think TonyClifton is right, you may need to diversify the circles you're in as you seem to live in a bit of a bubble where everyone agrees with you.
"Everyone agrees with you" Everyone? I am confused? So you now agree with Chuff?

Meanwhile, US stock market futures still crashing down; Dow at 27,000 whereas it was over 29,000 just a couple of weeks ago. Not good for Trump.
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I think TonyClifton is right, you may need to diversify the circles you're in as you seem to live in a bit of a bubble where everyone agrees with you.
It's not about being in a bubble. Trump's own behavior speaks for itself; and anyone with a basic understanding of psychology would recognize it for what it is.

There are very valid reasons why people do not like Trump. And the fact that you refuse to acknowledge it does not invalidate it. So perhaps you need to consider examining your own "bubble."
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Old 22.09.2020, 15:29
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It's not about being in a bubble. Trump's own behavior speaks for itself; and anyone with a basic understanding of psychology would recognize it for what it is.

There are very valid reasons why people do not like Trump. And the fact that you refuse to acknowledge it does not invalidate it. So perhaps you need to consider examining your own "bubble."
I think there's a clear distinction between people not liking Trump and people suffering from TDS.
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Old 22.09.2020, 15:41
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I think there's a clear distinction between people not liking Trump and people suffering from TDS.
I actually somewhat agree with you on that. For example, I remember when Trump was walking slowly down a ramp a few months ago, after giving a speech, and some people tried to make an issue of it, as though it was a sign of him being elderly; when in fact, he was most likely just walking down a slippery ramp.

But keep in mind that during Obama's eight years of being President, the right was suffering from ODS. They were constantly throwing fits about Obama, even trying to accuse him of being a Muslim and demanding to see his birth certificate. He couldn't even wear a tan suit without people making an issue of it or his wife wear a sleeveless dress.

So this is certainly not the kind of behavior that has only been geared toward Trump. But I have seen plenty of Trump supporters claim that anyone who is critical of Trump is suffering from "TDS," and as you yourself just stated, there is a clear distinction.
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Old 22.09.2020, 15:50
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"Everyone agrees with you" Everyone? I am confused? So you now agree with Chuff?
I am also a bit confused marton. One reason for me to join EF was to improve my command of English. Isn't the part in red referring to the "people in the bubble" which Chuff supposedly inhabits?

(Partly an honest question...)
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I am also a bit confused marton. One reason for me to join EF was to improve my command of English. Isn't the part in red referring to the "people in the bubble" which Chuff supposedly inhabits?

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I wouldn't worry about it... Full Circles reply about the bubble made absolutely no logical sense to begin with and he was just lashing out with whatever lame comment he could come up with at the time.
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Old 22.09.2020, 16:07
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Here’s a thought. Mandate - in that more than 50% (50) US senators are Republican. Another mandate is that the number of people represented by Republican senators is decidedly less than 50% - not my words, an idea advanced by Heather Cox Richardson, historian and professor at Boston College. Back to the old question of what matters most. Citizens or political units.
Anyway, it’s a thought.
The republicans didn't make up the rules. This is constitutional. They've just gotten lucky.

To compound misery for the Dems the next oldest justice by a clear decade is liberal justice Breyer (82).

I imagine there would be significant pressure on him to step down should the Dems win the election so that he can be replaced by a younger liberal judge. If they don't win - they'll be praying he gets through the next four years. A 7-2 split would probably take a century to overturn.

However he goes it'll be a shame. He's genuinely independent and one of the last remaining moderates on the court (him and Roberts really - to a lesser extent Alito.).
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Old 22.09.2020, 16:36
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I am also a bit confused marton. One reason for me to join EF was to improve my command of English. Isn't the part in red referring to the "people in the bubble" which Chuff supposedly inhabits?

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You need to extend your quote a little to "you may need to diversify the circles you're in as you seem to live in a bit of a bubble where everyone...."
One of the circles Chuff is in is clearly EF which, without any statement to the contrary, must be part of the "bubble where everyone...."
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Old 22.09.2020, 16:44
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I think there's a clear distinction between people not liking Trump and people suffering from TDS.
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TDS is an imaginary disorder in the same category as Trump believes COVID-19 is.
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You need to extend your quote a little to "you may need to diversify the circles you're in as you seem to live in a bit of a bubble where everyone...."
One of the circles Chuff is in is clearly EF which, without any statement to the contrary, must be part of the "bubble where everyone...."

okeeey. I see your point.
Calling EF a bubble where everyone agrees would indeed be a huge stretch. Not even omtatsat would post such nonsense (if he still could)
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okeeey. I see your point.
Calling EF a bubble where everyone agrees would indeed be a huge stretch. Not even omtatsat would post such nonsense (if he still could)
Well we could start a thread about who posts the most nonsense but probably not beneficial.

Anyway in a probably vain attempt to return to the topic
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American Intelligence Agencies believe Russian President Vladamir Putin is behind a disinformation campaign targeting U.S. Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, according to a new report.

A top-secret CIA assessment concluded Ukrainian lawmaker Andriy Derkach engaged in peddling "disparaging information about Biden inside the United States through lobbyists, Congress, the media and contacts with figures close to the president.
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The GOP led Senate announced they plan to release a review this week peddling the same Russian sourced "disparaging information about Biden".

And Bloomberg seems to be keeping his promise
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The Trump Organization in 2008 successfully sought to secure trademarks in Cuba despite President Trump saying about a decade earlier that he would not pursue business there unless the country made democratic reforms.
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I actually somewhat agree with you on that. For example, I remember when Trump was walking slowly down a ramp a few months ago, after giving a speech, and some people tried to make an issue of it, as though it was a sign of him being elderly; when in fact, he was most likely just walking down a slippery ramp.

But keep in mind that during Obama's eight years of being President, the right was suffering from ODS. They were constantly throwing fits about Obama, even trying to accuse him of being a Muslim and demanding to see his birth certificate. He couldn't even wear a tan suit without people making an issue of it or his wife wear a sleeveless dress.

So this is certainly not the kind of behavior that has only been geared toward Trump. But I have seen plenty of Trump supporters claim that anyone who is critical of Trump is suffering from "TDS," and as you yourself just stated, there is a clear distinction.
Here is a video Trump himself circulated yesterday demonstrating his elderly slow walking; why he did that I have no clue.
And a video of Biden on the same ramp but quicker!
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Here is a video Trump himself circulated yesterday demonstrating his elderly slow walking; why he did that I have no clue.
And a video of Biden on the same ramp but quicker!

It's like comparing cars.
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