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Old 30.09.2020, 11:34
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He IS leading America though, the American people voted him in.
Democracy.
No, the majority of American people voted for Hillary Clinton.
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Old 30.09.2020, 11:37
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

A CBS poll after the debate claims it persuaded some undecided voters not to vote, about sums it up...
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Old 30.09.2020, 11:42
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

It's obvious why Trump always interrups Biden when Biden has his 2 minutes. Trumps attention span is around 10 seconds. So how could he wait 2 minutes. By that time he has completely forgotten everything that Biden said!
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Old 30.09.2020, 11:42
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No, the majority of American people voted for Hillary Clinton.
But that doesn’t affect the outcome.
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Old 30.09.2020, 11:43
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Did anyone read the 20 Minuten review of the debate? It seems the “US expert” concluded Trump had won 5-4. Those kind of statements scare me as much as a potential reelection of Trump does.

https://www.20min.ch/story/donald-tr...t-896418537749
I think that someone who is pro-Trump and who perceives bullying. lying and denial as being positive traits (and/or who chooses to ignore those traits) will perceive Trump as being a "winner" of the debate.

Personally, I don't think there was a winner of the debate. But what I do think has become even more evident, via Trump's own behavior, is that his entire presidency has been little more than "smoke and mirrors," that he doesn't give a shit about the state of America or Americans in general and how crucial to the future of America it is that he does not get a second term.
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Old 30.09.2020, 11:44
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But that doesn’t affect the outcome.
Yes, but Fatmanfilms had written the following:

"the American people voted him in.
Democracy."

I corrected him.

Edit: Sorry, I mean Codpeace. Not Fatmanfilms. Sorry if you see this Fatmanfilms.

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Old 30.09.2020, 11:49
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Yes, but Fatmanfilms had written the following:

"the American people voted him in.
Democracy."

I corrected him.

But the majority of American people did not vote for Clinton.
And it was a democratic process.


You're just as wrong
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Old 30.09.2020, 11:51
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But the majority of American people did not vote for Clinton.
And it was a democratic process.


You're just as wrong
Sarcasm?
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Old 30.09.2020, 11:55
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But the majority of American people did not vote for Clinton.
And it was a democratic process.


You're just as wrong
It was CodePeace, not fatmanfilms, en plus.


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He IS leading America though, the American people voted him in.
Democracy.

Democracy gets scrutinized when people dislike the results. Except here.
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Old 30.09.2020, 11:56
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But the majority of American people did not vote for Clinton.
And it was a democratic process.


You're just as wrong
No, it isn't a democratic process. Certainly not a direct democracy. The electoral college provides the illusion of democracy.

But perhaps I should have phrased it differently and said that more people voted for Clinton than for Trump, which is fact. And still contradicts what Codpeace had written.

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Clinton: 65,853,514 votes
Trump: 62,984,828 votes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U...ntial_election
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Old 30.09.2020, 11:57
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It was CodePeace, not fatmanfilms, en plus.

Democracy gets scrutinized when people dislike the results. Except here.
You're right. Sorry about that. I'll go back and edit my post(s). My morning coffee doesn't want to kick in this morning.

As for your second point, I can guarantee you that if the situation was reversed this time and Trump won the popular vote but lost the electoral college vote, he would be throwing a tantrum about it, as would his followers. He is already trying to say that the election is being sabotaged, but of course he'll change his mind on that if he wins.

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Old 30.09.2020, 12:00
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No, it isn't a democratic process. Certainly not a direct democracy. The electoral college provides the illusion of democracy.

But perhaps I should have phrased it differently and said that more people voted for Clinton than for Trump, which is fact. And still contradicts what Fatmanfilms had written.

Popular Vote

Clinton: 65,853,514 votes
Trump: 62,984,828 votes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U...ntial_election

She got the majority of the votes, yes, but that is something different than the majority of the American people voting for her.
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Old 30.09.2020, 12:13
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Democracy gets scrutinized when people dislike the results. Except here.
Except where? On EF?

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As for your second point, I can guarantee you that if the situation was reversed this time and Trump won the popular vote but lost the electoral college vote, he would be throwing a tantrum about it, as would his followers. He is already trying to say that the election is being sabotaged, but of course he'll change his mind on that if he wins.
I wouldn't expect his fans to scrutinise democracy if he wins.
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Old 30.09.2020, 12:18
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She got the majority of the votes, yes, but that is something different than the majority of the American people voting for her.
You're nitpicking. Should I have said "the majority of people who voted voted for her?"
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She got the majority of the votes, yes, but that is something different than the majority of the American people voting for her.
Just like the majority of British people didn't support Brexit. Something like 35% of the electorate did.
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You're nitpicking. Should I have said "the majority of people who voted voted for her?"

As you were correcting another poster: yes, you should.
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Just like the majority of British people didn't support Brexit. Something like 35% of the electorate did.

We only know that 35% of the British people did support Brexit that it was sufficient to get the majority.
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She got the majority of the votes, yes, but that is something different than the majority of the American people voting for her.
You’ll have to explain that remark because it makes no sense in my mind.
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Old 30.09.2020, 12:36
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You’ll have to explain that remark because it makes no sense in my mind.
I think it's the same Brexit majority argument. The vote results is not representative of the whole population. But those who didn't vote will never be counted.

As in the non voting people are still in the majority of the people. So nobody had the majority of the american people voting for them, as so many don't vote.

The American system is broken. But so are most.
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She got the majority of the votes, yes, but that is something different than the majority of the American people voting for her.
Which is NOT what Pancakes said. I'll requote...:

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more people voted for Clinton than for Trump
Which is and remains true.
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