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Old 30.09.2020, 15:09
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They really need a stronger interviewer and a mute button.
Just the mute button would be fantastic, you'd only be able to see Trump shouting across the stage.
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Old 30.09.2020, 15:26
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I'm not sure what your post means... are you implying that his debate performance in the face of Trumps outrageous behaviour was like some random guy someone off the street?
No, I was responding to your "Many people would have exploded or walked off the stage" etc. A presidential candidate like Biden should be fully capable of dealing with a "Trump" and his antics in a TV debate, he has 45 years political experience. Otherwise he is the wrong candidate. Biden is not your average Joe, I expect him not to lose his cool against Trump
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Old 30.09.2020, 15:30
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They really need a stronger interviewer and a mute button.
Maybe a panel of moderators, so they could alternate who gives questions and who tells the candidates to shut up.

A mute button would be awesome. The microphone for one is disabled while the other talks, and at the end of the 2 minutes that person's microphone shuts off too.
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Old 30.09.2020, 15:37
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Fun isn't exactly the word that comes to my mind...



Ok 2020 is screwed then. Despite the polls saying otherwise, unless there's some sort of October surprise I think Trump will win again.



Which is a shame. I think the Ds made a huge mistake in anointing Hilary and not letting anyone or anything get in her way back in 2016. Joe could have been successful had he run in 2016, with the economy on the upswing and being a thousand percent more likeable than Hilary.
The difference this time around vs 2016 is that today the polls agree that only around 7% are undecided voters so there is not much left lying around for Trump to try to pick up.

Rasmussen that usually shows strong Trump numbers today has 46% of likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove. The latest figures include 37% who Strongly Approve of the job Trump is doing and 47% who Strongly Disapprove.

Just a week ago they had Trump @51% approval
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Old 30.09.2020, 15:42
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Biden was raised to be polite, wait his turn for the most part, and not attack family.
Yeah, these days it's a handicap one might never overcome...

Anyways, I've watched some of the debate and he's done well. Don't ask him to be someone else, it wouldn't be genuine and ultimately - you don't want to become Trump. Each person/politician has their own style. There are enough Trump imitators these days. I don't think people would like to choose between Trump and Trump.
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Old 30.09.2020, 16:15
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No, I was responding to your "Many people would have exploded or walked off the stage" etc. A presidential candidate like Biden should be fully capable of dealing with a "Trump" and his antics in a TV debate, he has 45 years political experience. Otherwise he is the wrong candidate. Biden is not your average Joe, I expect him not to lose his cool against Trump
I think you overestimate the abilities of even mature career politicians... they lose their cool too sometimes when angered or flustered and under extreme pressure. By your logic and impression of presidential candidates, Trump should fit those same criteria. Biden has had training and experience beyond any regular person, but he is still a human being and Trump insulted his family and dishonoured the memory of his dead son on live TV.
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Old 30.09.2020, 16:22
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No, I was responding to your "Many people would have exploded or walked off the stage" etc. A presidential candidate like Biden should be fully capable of dealing with a "Trump" and his antics in a TV debate, he has 45 years political experience. Otherwise he is the wrong candidate. Biden is not your average Joe, I expect him not to lose his cool against Trump
This. I think he may have forgotten that he is debating with somebody who already IS an American president. His position is so different. It is not a debate of equal positions at all. And if one wants to beat the opponent who already is potus, then Biden has to offer much more. Otherwise he is just showing to voters that Trump won by sheer accident. That is arrogant on its own, even though that Biden might think it comes across as polite.
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Old 30.09.2020, 16:31
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Apparently, when people who support Trump are disappointed that Biden didn't lose his temper, they accuse him of being "weak." And if he does express anger or frustration, they accuse him of losing his temper.

I think that, particularly when compared to Trump, Biden handled himself quite well during the debate. And you can't blame him for not wanting the debate to turn into a screaming match. Trump was clearly trying to get Joe to "lose his cool," and Biden clearly felt as though he was dealing with a two-year old. Trump was desperately trying to dominate the debate, just as I expected he would. Here, you can see Trump repeatedly talking over Biden and trying to interrupt him as Biden was answering a question and looking into the camera. But Trump had to try to make the moment all about himself. Biden was doing his best to ignore Trump's interruptions and then finally had to do something about it and said "Will you shut up, man?... This is so un-Presidential."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...l-debate-video

I think Biden was doing his best to try to keep the debate calm and rational and on-point, but you can't blame him for feeling frustrated with Trump's behavior, as even the moderator himself was frustrated and had to try to put Trump in check numerous times.
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Old 30.09.2020, 16:34
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I've yet to see someone be able to handle Trump's tantrum and poor manners in an adultlike setting. That man needs a spanking.
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Old 30.09.2020, 16:46
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I think you overestimate the abilities of even mature career politicians... they lose their cool too sometimes when angered or flustered and under extreme pressure. By your logic and impression of presidential candidates, Trump should fit those same criteria. Biden has had training and experience beyond any regular person, but he is still a human being and Trump insulted his family and dishonoured the memory of his dead son on live TV.
I expect the POTUS candidate to have exceptional, presidential qualities, more than your average Joe. Saying that POTUS candidate Biden did well not to lose his cool is setting the bar very low. The democrats had four years to pick their candidate knowing Trump's formidable competitive nature and bluster. Biden, like Clinton, doesn't seem to be able to take on Trump in a debate, hopefully his other skills will shine through in the election campaign. Obama would have handed Trump's arse on a plate to him, at least in a debate.
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This. I think he may have forgotten that he is debating with somebody who already IS an American president. His position is so different. It is not a debate of equal positions at all. And if one wants to beat the opponent who already is potus, then Biden has to offer much more. Otherwise he is just showing to voters that Trump won by sheer accident. That is arrogant on its own, even though that Biden might think it comes across as polite.
Of course, it is a debate of equal positions, they are both candidates in the next presidential election.
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I expect the POTUS candidate to have exceptional, presidential qualities, more than your average Joe. Saying that POTUS candidate Biden did well not to lose his cool is setting the bar very low.
What? Sorry, but this is odd logic. Debating with a manic POTUS on live TV who is doing his best to shout you out and humiliate you by insulting your drug addict and dead sons is not an average situation, even for a veteran politician. Maybe you need to reassess your definition of normal?
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I expect the POTUS candidate to have exceptional, presidential qualities, more than your average Joe. Saying that POTUS candidate Biden did well not to lose his cool is setting the bar very low. The democrats had four years to pick their candidate knowing Trump's formidable competitive nature and bluster. Biden, like Clinton, doesn't seem to be able to take on Trump in a debate, hopefully his other skills will shine through in the election campaign. Obama would have handed Trump's arse on a plate to him, at least in a debate.
I agree. And respect hopeful spirit. (Just don't think Obama would have had a chance, it's a showbiz not an intellectual debate. Unfortunately.)
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What? Sorry, but this is odd logic. Debating with a manic POTUS on live TV who is doing his best to shout you out and humiliate you by insulting your drug addict and dead sons is not an average situation, even for a veteran politician. Maybe you need to reassess your definition of normal?
why is it not logical to expect a potential POTUS to have the qualities to be able to handle this?
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why is it not logical to expect a potential POTUS to have the qualities to be able to handle this?
You make it sound as if Trump's thick skin made him POTUS. It is probably true.
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why is it not logical to expect a potential POTUS to have the qualities to be able to handle this?
But Biden DID handle it. Yes, perhaps he could have been more aggressive and more defensive, but I think Biden also didn't want to allow Trump to dominate the debate as he was so desperately trying to. And I think Biden was refusing to allow Trump to turn the debate into a screaming match or to "rattle" him. There is only one way to deal with a bully or a psychopath sometimes, and that is to try to ignore them, because otherwise you're just empowering them. And like Biden said, "This is so un-presidential." Trump saw the debate as an opportunity to try to bully Biden, whereas Biden was clearly trying to have a mature, rational debate -- which is clearly impossible when you're dealing with someone who is neither mature nor rational.
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I agree. And respect hopeful spirit. (Just don't think Obama would have had a chance, it's a showbiz not an intellectual debate. Unfortunately.)
Trump's major error was failing to condemn the white supremacist groups that his own intelligence agencies label as the highest terrorist risk in the US, this will not win him middle of the road voters.
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why is it not logical to expect a potential POTUS to have the qualities to be able to handle this?
I didn't say you shouldn't expect it at all, but it's hardly a regular situation even for a veteran politician used to keeping their cool. You are making out as though only an "average joe" couldn't stay calm in this situation, which is mis-representing how extreme it was, especially with the insults to his family which were ****ing outrageous by any standards. It was the worst presidential debate in the history of the USA and Biden did handle it where others may wouldn't have.
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You make it sound as if Trump's thick skin made him POTUS. It is probably true.
Trump doesn't have thick skin. If he did, he wouldn't be throwing daily tantrums all over Twitter.

And by the way, if you think Biden doesn't have "much to offer" (like you said), but he does win the election, what does that say about Trump?
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