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All Biden would have had to have done would have been to call his kids stupid just like their dad. Boom, nuclear explosion.

The irony being that Trump called him stupid....I'm glad he kept his cool and didn't stoop to his level.

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Though actually, I think only if perceived the insult to be an insult on him. Except for Ivanka and maybe Barron, he might not rush to his kids’ defense.
Haha, of course.

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Former Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Marc Racicot said this week that he would that he will not vote for President Trump in November.

"I regret that I will cause consternation perhaps in some corners, but even as a Republican, I will not be supporting Donald Trump for president, and I will not be voting for him," Racicot, who is also a former Republican governor of Montana, said during a Tuesday interview on Yellowstone Public Radio. "That means I will be voting for Joe Biden for president.
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The former governor, who previously served as the chairman of former President George W. Bush’s reelection campaign, said the presidency this year has threatened the American way of life.

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Facebook said it has removed Trump campaign ads that baselessly connect admission of refugees to transmission of the coronavirus.

The advertising features footage of Democratic nominee Joe Biden discussing border security. It claims without evidence that Biden would increase refugee admissions from Somalia, Syria and Yemen 700 percent, according to NBC News.
It also includes text alleging “an increase in refugees” presents public health risks.
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Old 01.10.2020, 09:44
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This is just my take on it, but I think that the debates just solidified and further validated something that most (sane) people already knew about Trump -- that he's a bully who completely lacks empathy and decency and that he refuses to lose the election no matter what the election results bring. I think the debate went pretty much exactly as I expected it to, with Trump desperately trying to dominate the entire debate and bully Biden and make himself appear as though he had "won" simply because he was the one that was being the asshole.
But of course, his supporters won't perceive it that way, and he knows that. After all, he once said: "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
I wonder how that makes his supporters feel -- knowing that Trump admittedly thinks of them as his "blind sheep." But of course, they aren't willing to admit that either.
Trump tried to dominate the discussion by bullying Biden because he knew he stood no chance to win a debate if they tried to have a decent conversation. I mean, this is what I believe judged by what I have seen from him so far. This job is way over his abilities imo. But, his base will see it as a sign of masculinity and leadership.
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Can you imagine how would he have reacted if someone tried to criticise Ivanka or maybe other child of his? I don't think he would have taken it so...peacefully.
The media/democrats have already dragged Trump's family through the mud for the last four years, it wouldn't be anything new.

If Trump's son was a crackhead who only got a job because of his corrupt father they'd be all over it. But because its Biden it shouldn't be brought up? Sod that.
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I loved how he mentioned Hunter Biden's cocaine use when it is widely known that Don Jr. is a major cokehead. Even The Lincoln Project spoofs on it:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFx56wKH..._web_copy_link

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The media/democrats have already dragged Trump's family through the mud for the last four years, it wouldn't be anything new.
In all fairness, his family is no longer only family, but rather people who were given immense political powers and thus, fair game for political attacks. There's a word for this, btw, it's called nepotism. As you might not be aware of it, it's actually a bad thing. Let me know if you don't understand why, happy to clarify further.
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There's a word for this, btw, it's called nepotism. As you might not be aware of it, it's actually a bad thing.
You and I are well accustomed to it, the funny (and oh so sweetly naive) thing is I used to think it is a second and third world(s) phenomenon.....
Everybody knows it.
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In all fairness, his family is no longer only family, but rather people who were given immense political powers and thus, fair game for political attacks. There's a word for this, btw, it's called nepotism. As you might not be aware of it, it's actually a bad thing. Let me know if you don't understand why, happy to clarify further.
Kind of like a drug addict landing a job due to his father? Gotcha.
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Old 01.10.2020, 10:42
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Kind of like a drug addict landing a job due to his father? Gotcha.
No, your're wrong again. Kind of like your dad giving you a government job, paid with taxpayers money, to spend even more taxpayers money, on projects helping the family. Don't hesitate to ask for further clarification!

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You and I are well accustomed to it, the funny (and oh so sweetly naive) thing is I used to think it is a second and third world(s) phenomenon.....
Everybody knows it.
Exactly! This is indeed the problem, we were just about starting to fix things in our part of the world when Mr. Orange basically gave carte-blanche to every dictator in the world to feel even more empowered.
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No, your're wrong again. Kind of like your dad giving you a government job, paid with taxpayers money, to spend even more taxpayers money, on projects helping the family. Don't hesitate to ask for further clarification!.
I never realised nepotism only referred to government jobs / taxpayers money. Care to clarify?
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Trump always speaks of " my people" as if it's a sect. I thought he was the president of the whole USA
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Old 01.10.2020, 11:27
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The media/democrats have already dragged Trump's family through the mud for the last four years, it wouldn't be anything new.

If Trump's son was a crackhead who only got a job because of his corrupt father they'd be all over it. But because its Biden it shouldn't be brought up? Sod that.
Biden's son's decisions in life have nothing to do with Biden himself or Biden's abilities as a politician. His son is a grown adult and makes his own decisions out of his own free will. Ronald Reagan's daughter was a cocaine addict. I'm not fond of Reagan, but do you think that had anything to do with Reagan's abilities as a president?
Trump has made it repeatedly clear that he really has nothing on Biden, so he desperately tries to search for things, including attacking Biden's son and bringing up how Biden's grades were in college. And yet Trump himself had paid someone to take his SATs. The fact is, it's low-blows and it's extremely immature, and it's just a further reflection of what an irrational bully Trump is.
I'm not sure which I find more pathetic and disgraceful -- Trump's behavior or the fact that some people condone it and/or turn a blind eye to it. What's next? Trump makes fun of Biden for losing his wife and baby in a car accident? Would they condone and excuse that as well?
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Old 01.10.2020, 13:52
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A presidential candidate like Biden should be fully capable of dealing with a "Trump" and his antics in a TV debate, he has 45 years political experience.
180 years in the senate actually, and 10 years as vice president. By his own admission.
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Old 01.10.2020, 14:45
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I never realised nepotism only referred to government jobs / taxpayers money. Care to clarify?
Definition: nepotism

the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.

Hunter Biden never worked for Joe Biden or for any company controlled by Joe.
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180 years in the senate actually, and 10 years as vice president. By his own admission.
"180 years"? Joe must be much older than claimed.
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"180 years"? Joe must be much older than claimed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6omJdg4_unY
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I think you may have misconstrued what was said about Antifa.

(FBI Director) Wray did not dispute that antifa activists were a serious concern, saying that antifa was a 'real thing'
Here is the entire quote from the Associated Press.

Wray did not dispute in his testimony Thursday that antifa activists were a serious concern, saying that antifa was a “real thing” and that the FBI had undertaken “any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists,” including into individuals who identify with antifa.

But, he said, “It’s not a group or an organization. It’s a movement or an ideology.”

I think that last bit is important.
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He IS leading America though, the American people voted him in.
Democracy.
That doesn't really count though, they're all wrong.

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One of my favourite quotes from the 'debate' was from Trump.
"Joe, I've done more in 47 months than you've done in 47 years" (or words to that effect).

I thought Biden would savage Trump on his taxes, but he couldn't even get that over the line.
Biden's problem is that he can't really counter with something like ...
"you're completely wrong because prisoners, the majority of them black, serve ~70% longer because of me. Simultaneously i made sure that Pell grants are no longer granted, which basically removes the possibilty for inmates to get a decent education, and that police got militarised"
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And during his 36 years as a US Senator (having won re-election SIX times), one of his major accomplishments is his introduction of the Violence Against Women Act, which reformed penalties for sexual assault and domestic abuse and was then signed into law.
He better not open that Pandora's box. See above, introduced at the same time as the Act you mention.
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I said to my husband this morning, it's not that Biden is a bad debater. It's that Trump has a way of dominating every room and conversation, and especially on TV he knows how to play it. Trump is okay with interrupting, lying, bullying, attacking family, talking over everyone else, etc.

Biden was raised to be polite, wait his turn for the most part, and not attack family.

I think Biden's debate prep people went too soft on him by focusing on content and not so much delivery. They should have asked Bernie to show up and shout any kind of nonsense and insults and talk over Joe in each mock debate so it would be a more accurate representation of what he'd face.
Biden was the first to interrupt (unsuccessfully, but still) at 6:58 and 7:15 (I wouldn't call the injunction at 6:48 an interruption) as well as the first to insult and personally attack with his
"Here's the deal: The fact is that everything he's saying so far is simply a lie. I'm not here to call out his lies [even though he does exactly that], everybody knows he's a liar."
that started at 13:14 in the Fox News clip on YT.

Stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat, and don't try to claim the moral higher ground if you're the first to abandon it. You (Biden) might prove to be the hypocrit some say you are.
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