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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

I expect everyone on the planet to test positive in the end.

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Old 02.10.2020, 18:01
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Why Fascists Never Think They’re Fascists — but Victims and Heroes
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Hence, the fascist is always projecting, in baffling and labyrinthine ways, as I described above. “I’m not the fascist — they’re the real fascists! The ones who don’t listen to me!! Those are the fascists!! The ones who are taking away my right to abuse and hurt people!! The ones who won’t believe that I’m superior!! The ones who don’t make me the center of their world! The leftists and students and Muslims and Jews and Mexicans — they’re the true fascists — they want to oppress and subjugate me!!” LOL — to engage even for a moment with a neo-fascist is to be drawn into a bizarre, mirror-world, where everything is upside down and backward, turned in on itself. The fascist isn’t the fascist — everyone else is the real fascist. Nobody is his victim — because he is history’s greatest victim. To speak a word to a fascist is to have battle through endless layers and forms of projection — an impossible task, usually, at which a reasonable person, shakes their heads and gives up.
(Hence, to the fascist, the one who doesn’t conform, submit, and surrender, unquestioningly to his “views”, “attitudes”, and opinions” — which is really just all the above, that he is a noble, benevolent victim, persecuted unfairly by malign, supernatural forces, and grant their superiority, is always the “real fascist”, that is, the persecutor, no matter how much one tries to reason with them. It is a matter of power — not logic.)
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Old 02.10.2020, 21:09
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

A dangerous place, the White House.
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University of Notre Dame President Fr. John Jenkins, who was at the WH SCOTUS announcement on Saturday and was criticized for not wearing a mask and shaking hands, has tested positive for COVID-19.

There were at least two private gatherings/receptions last Sat. around ACB announcement, one in the Cabinet room and another in Diplomatic Reception Room.
Very little distancing, few masks. Lots of VIPs.

Several people who were at the White House on Saturday -- including the president, the first lady, Republican senator Mike Lee and the president of the University of Notre Dame -- have now tested positive for the virus.
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Senator Mike Lee was at the White House on Saturday for the announcement of Amy Coney Barrett’s supreme court nomination. Lee hugged some of the guests at the Rose Garden event while holding his mask in his hand, disregarding coronavirus guidelines to wear a mask while in close proximity to others.

Luckily it is claimed supreme court nominee Amy Coney Barrett already had the virus.

BTW, Biden and wife tested negative today.

The Republican donors who attended Trump’s fundraising event in New Jersey yesterday are reportedly panicking following news that the president has tested positive for coronavirus.

Edit; Two journalists who work at the White House tested positive on Friday, according to memos from the White House Correspondents Association.

All the signs are the White House risks becoming a COVID-19 hot spot
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Be careful what you wish for. If Trump resigns or dies before Election Day, you get President Pence. Trump's base would line up behind Pence, no problem. I think Pence would win in a landslide against Biden just based on age.
Well... you'd get President Pence, until January 20, 2021.

Surely there'd be no guarantee that the GOP would nominate Pence as their candidate for the election on November 3 this year, if anyone else were to challenge? Logistically, it would be a nightmare to anoint a new candidate and get his/her name on the ballot before November 3... even if each state's electoral commission allowed it (usually, the cut-off for candidates to appear on the ballot is months before the election).
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Even if Biden interrupted first in this instance, we all know Trump interrupts all the time, as soon as he hears something he doesn't like. He doesn't ever wait his turn. He interrupted far more than Biden, and even ignored and talked over the moderator - who happens to be a well-respected journalist from his fave Fox news!

Telling Trump he's a liar isn't an attack in the least. It's a statement of fact, and Trump knows it but doesn't care.
The only people whineing about the interruptions and insults are the Biden supporters who blame Trump while ignoring Biden's faults. They couldn't make their double standards more clear.

I'm not saying Trump's behaviour was good. But as you say two wrongs don't make a right, it's hypocrite to blame Trump while whitewashing Biden, this is a poster case of ideological bias.
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Old 03.10.2020, 10:52
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

The protocol when a group of people catches the virus is that the spreader is identified and the contacts followed up.

In Trump's case, it seems the group was infected in private WH gatherings/receptions last Sat but no information on this sort of followup.

More partygoers sick.
It is reported President Trump's campaign manager Bill Stepien also tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday as has Kellyanne Conway, former longtime adviser to President Trump.
Sen. Thom Tillis (N.C.) said on Friday that he has tested positive for the coronavirus, becoming the second GOP senator who was at the White House on Saturday to be diagnosed with the virus.

Trump was airlifted to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center and is on Remdesivir therapy after he has cancelled his work calendar and has sent only two tweets in the last 24 hours so maybe his condition is not so mild as claimed.
White House physician Sean Conley said Trump did not require supplemental oxygen as of late Friday.

The decision to take Trump to the hospital marked a sharp turn from the statement Conley made early Friday when he first confirmed the Covid-19 diagnosis of Trump and first lady Melania Trump, and said the couple would remain at the White House during their convalescence.

I say Karma again....
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

I don't know about "karma" or "poetical justice" (I, for one, can only wish independent and well functioning earthly judicial institutions), it's more about cause and effect as I see it...

I'd prefer all of them to get better soon and continue their campaign.
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All the signs are the White House risks becoming a COVID-19 hot spot
Trump is claiming that Melania is a superspreader.
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Absolutely. And I'd say it's the latter, in most cases. See Urs Max's posts, where he tries to get himself all indignant about Joe Biden "insulting and personally attacking" Trump by simply stating the well-known fact that Trump is a liar. Any level, unbiased observer can see that, but to those with an agenda, Biden is the evil "hypocrite" while Trump is... what? A free spirit, probably.
Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking.

Neither is, people who keep using double standards are. That includes many on here, particularly those who claim not to be.
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Old 03.10.2020, 12:14
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I don't know about "karma" or "poetical justice" (I, for one, can only wish independent and well functioning earthly judicial institutions), it's more about cause and effect as I see it...

I'd prefer all of them to get better soon and continue their campaign.
That's a good way to put it -- just being a matter of cause and effect.

I don't believe in "karma" anyways because, for one thing, negative and positive energy attract each other in the universe.

I can see why some people think Trump 'deserves' to get the virus since he did, after all, lie to the American people about the dangers of it and has essentially been encouraging people to be apathetic about it (even mocking Biden for wearing masks). But for me, I can't bring myself to wish death or that kind of suffering on someone -- not even someone I dislike as much as I dislike Trump. I can only hope that him having the virus will not end up disrupting the election, because there seems to be enough problems with that happening as it is.
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Old 03.10.2020, 13:50
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I don't know about "karma" or "poetical justice" (I, for one, can only wish independent and well functioning earthly judicial institutions), it's more about cause and effect as I see it...

I'd prefer all of them to get better soon and continue their campaign.
The correct meaning of Karma is the result of a person's actions as well as the actions themselves. It is a term about the cycle of cause and effect, not poetical justice.

People who hold a big party in the WH without social distancing or masks (according to the published photos) should not be surprised to get sick.

I hope all the sick millions get well soon and I also hope the people who wear masks and maintain social distancing benefit from their sensible actions.

The Buddhists and Hindus believe your actions in a previous life have an effect on your current life; this is a step too far for me.

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That's a good way to put it -- just being a matter of cause and effect.

I don't believe in "karma" anyways because, for one thing, negative and positive energy attract each other in the universe.

I can see why some people think Trump 'deserves' to get the virus since he did, after all, lie to the American people about the dangers of it and has essentially been encouraging people to be apathetic about it (even mocking Biden for wearing masks). But for me, I can't bring myself to wish death or that kind of suffering on someone -- not even someone I dislike as much as I dislike Trump. I can only hope that him having the virus will not end up disrupting the election, because there seems to be enough problems with that happening as it is.
And yet, after his initial recovery, he can use his own experience to tell the world how mild it is and what a healthy, strong president he is. Republicans are great at spinning and Trump even better at lying.

I see no good coming out of this except for Trump (but that may be the pessimistic Swiss inside of me speaking.)
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And yet, after his initial recovery, he can use his own experience to tell the world how mild it is and what a healthy, strong president he is. Republicans are great at spinning and Trump even better at lying.

I see no good coming out of this except for Trump (but that may be the pessimistic Swiss inside of me speaking.)
" to tell the world how mild it is and what a healthy, strong president he is. " Will be hard even for Trump to spin this since most people don't get flown to a hospital for antiviral treatment.
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" to tell the world how mild it is and what a healthy, strong president he is. " Will be hard even for Trump to spin this since most people don't get flown to a hospital for antiviral treatment.

Perhaps because most people are not a president of a country.
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Seems Trump has been given a dose of the experimental medical treatment Regeneron.
Regeneron confirmed it has released the drug under the "Compassionate Use Request" in which the Food & Drug Administration permits usage to those, not in clinical trials.

George Yancopoulos, president and co-founder of Regeneron , emphasized how the “target population” for the monoclonal cocktail are SARS-CoV-2 infected people who have “not yet mounted their own immune response” and have exceedingly high levels of the virus.
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" to tell the world how mild it is and what a healthy, strong president he is. " Will be hard even for Trump to spin this since most people don't get flown to a hospital for antiviral treatment.
It makes sense to me. For practical and optical reasons, his handlers want to get him to a place where he can receive the best care immediately.

Practically, Walter Reed is a top-notch facility where the doctors can throw everything in the arsenal at this virus, both experimental and tested.

Optically, if he were to remain at the White House and quickly deteriorate to where he couldn't walk out under his own power, that's REALLY bad optics.
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It makes sense to me. For practical and optical reasons, his handlers want to get him to a place where he can receive the best care immediately.

Practically, Walter Reed is a top-notch facility where the doctors can throw everything in the arsenal at this virus, both experimental and tested.

Optically, if he were to remain at the White House and quickly deteriorate to where he couldn't walk out under his own power, that's REALLY bad optics.
Optically, leaving Melania in the WH will really help him with his favourite suburban housewives.
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Republican Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin has tested positive for coronavirus after being exposed to someone with the virus earlier this week, according to his spokesman, making him the third GOP senator to test positive in 24 hours and threatening the quick confirmation prospects of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.
If the GOP Senators keep getting sick and the Dems stay healthy then they will have a real problem to vote on Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.

So far there three sick GOP senators and three who have signalled they will not vote for her which destroys the GOP Senate majority, presumably Pence can cast a deciding vote if the Senate votes are balanced.
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If the GOP Senators keep getting sick and the Dems stay healthy then they will have a real problem to vote on Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.

So far there three sick GOP senators and three who have signalled they will not vote for her which destroys the GOP Senate majority, presumably Pence can cast a deciding vote if the Senate votes are balanced.
Oh, wow. I guess I had missed that -- that three GOP Senators had expressed that they would not vote for her.
When exactly are they supposed to vote? I suppose they could probably postpone the vote if they wanted or needed to, no? (I'm just asking out of curiosity -- certainly not trying to negate or argue what you wrote).
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