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Oh, wow. I guess I had missed that -- that three GOP Senators had expressed that they would not vote for her.
When exactly are they supposed to vote? I suppose they could probably postpone the vote if they wanted or needed to, no? (I'm just asking out of curiosity -- certainly not trying to negate or argue what you wrote).
The three senators haven't explicitly said they'd vote against Barrett. They've indicated they don't think a vote should be held. There's a subtle difference, and one that leaves them some wiggle room.

First the Senate has to hold hearings, which were scheduled to start on 12 October. Not sure if they will be postponed. The vote, if all went to plan, could be as early as 22 October.
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The three senators haven't explicitly said they'd vote against Barrett. They've indicated they don't think a vote should be held. There's a subtle difference, and one that leaves them some wiggle room.

First the Senate has to hold hearings, which were scheduled to start on 12 October. Not sure if they will be postponed. The vote, if all went to plan, could be as early as 22 October.
Okay, thanks. I wonder if Senators have to be physically present to vote. i.e. If in quarantine, could they vote "absentee?"
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Okay, thanks. I wonder if Senators have to be physically present to vote. i.e. If in quarantine, could they vote "absentee?"
I know some proxy voting is allowed, but usually it's done so that two legislators cancel each other out. I don't know how it works in committees and I don't know if it's been done on any major legislation.

So far even McConnell has resisted making changes to the rules to allow voting in absentia. Article from last spring.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-probably-not/
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Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has tested positive for COVID-19, he announced Saturday, making him the latest official who in President Trump's orbit to contract the virus.

Christie was at the White House last Saturday for President Trump's announcement that he was nominating Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. The ex-governor was spotted interacting closely with others in the Rose Garden without a mask
Will former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani be next?

Trump the new superspreader....
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This is getting absurd!


Will former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani be next?

Trump the new superspreader....
Well I HOPE that isn’t the case.
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This is getting absurd!


Will former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani be next?

Trump the new superspreader....
And now one more to add to the list...

Chris Christie tests positive for coronavirus
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/03/p...rus/index.html

"Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who helped President Donald Trump prepare for the first presidential debate earlier this week, has tested positive for Covid-19, he announced on Twitter Saturday."
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Trump, arrived at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center on Friday evening and has received two experimental drugs, Regeneron and Remdesivir. Why on earth would one risk giving a world leader unproven and experimental drugs if this leader only has mild symptoms?

White House doctor Conley said today that Trump is 72 hours into his diagnosis, which suggests Trump received a positive coronavirus test over a day before he publicly disclosed it early Friday morning.

According to Conley, Trump first received an experimental antibody treatment "48 hours ago" — or Thursday morning — bringing the timeline of Trump's diagnosis further into question.

Which implies Trump attended a fundraising committee reception in Bedminster on Thursday afternoon presumably well knowing he was COVID-19 positive. No wonder the fundraising committee donors are frantic....
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A source close to the White House said President Trump has received supplemental oxygen since his illness began.

Trump “definitely has had oxygen,” the source said. The source said it was Friday when that happened.
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Might explain why they are giving him unproven experimental drugs?
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Might explain why they are giving him unproven experimental drugs?
And if that doesn't work, Putin could always offer Sputnik V as a remedy which is already fully approved in Russia by all accounts.
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And if that doesn't work, Putin could always offer Sputnik V as a remedy which is already fully approved in Russia by all accounts.
If that fails then "Jesus saves" Covid mask will definitely work.
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Trump, arrived at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center on Friday evening and has received two experimental drugs, Regeneron and Remdesivir. Why on earth would one risk giving a world leader unproven and experimental drugs...
Just to be clear, Regeneron is the name of the biotech company that has developed a "cocktail" of treatments that is, indeed, still under investigation. The code name for this cocktail is REGN-COV2; as it's still in trials and not yet approved or marketed, it has no trade name yet. REGN-COV2 is a combination of two monoclonal antibodies with their own code names, REGN10933 and REGN10987.

Remdesivir is the scientific or "generic" name of an antiviral therapy developed by the American biotech Gilead Sciences. This drug is approved and marketed as Veklury by Gilead and under other trade names by other companies, and has been approved in one way or another by many countries (including the EU) for several months now for use by COVID-19 patients—usually for severe cases. FDA approval (i.e. for the US) for COVID-19 is for emergency use. The effectiveness of remdesivir against COVID-19 has been somewhat inconsistent, with very mixed results appearing to depend on many factors.
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Old 04.10.2020, 10:09
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Just to be clear, Regeneron is the name of the biotech company that has developed a "cocktail" of treatments that is, indeed, still under investigation. The code name for this cocktail is REGN-COV2; as it's still in trials and not yet approved or marketed, it has no trade name yet. REGN-COV2 is a combination of two monoclonal antibodies with their own code names, REGN10933 and REGN10987.

Remdesivir is the scientific or "generic" name of an antiviral therapy developed by the American biotech Gilead Sciences. This drug is approved and marketed as Veklury by Gilead and under other trade names by other companies, and has been approved in one way or another by many countries (including the EU) for several months now for use by COVID-19 patients—usually for severe cases. FDA approval (i.e. for the US) for COVID-19 is for emergency use. The effectiveness of remdesivir against COVID-19 has been somewhat inconsistent, with very mixed results appearing to depend on many factors.
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the European Commission has granted conditional marketing authorization for Veklury® (remdesivir) as a treatment for SARS-CoV-2 infection.
A conditional marketing authorization in Europe is initially valid for one year but can be extended or converted into an unconditional marketing authorization after the submission and assessment of additional confirmatory data. Ongoing clinical trials continue to evaluate the safety and efficacy of remdesivir.
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Remdesivir is an investigational drug that has not been approved by the FDA for any use, and the safety and efficacy of remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19 have not been established.
This FDA emergency Use authorization is temporary and may be revoked,
Edit: These drugs have yet to successfully complete the full clinical trials needed to demonstrate they are safe and effective. Consequently they have limited approvals for use on very sick people.

Curiously the limited trials held so far show that some people have had their hospitals stays much reduced but there has been no reduction of the death rate!

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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Back to Trump, Biden; eleven new cases of Covid-19 were reported in Cleveland stemming from the presidential debate held in the city, the city government disclosed Friday.
Democratic nominee Joe Biden leads President Trump by sizable margins among voters in Pennsylvania and Florida following Tuesday night’s combative presidential debate, according to a New York Times-Siena College poll published Saturday.
There was a modest shift in favor of Biden during survey interviews conducted on Friday following the news of Trump’s diagnosis,
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Nicholas Luna, one of the White House aides who work closest to President Donald Trump has tested positive for coronavirus, a White House official confirmed yesterday.

Cliff Sims, who sued President Donald Trump after the Trump campaign accused him of violating a non-disclosure agreement when writing a tell-all book, has returned to the Trump administration as a senior adviser to the director of national intelligence; an ODNI spokesperson confirmed that Sims had joined the organization.
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Remdesivir is an investigational drug that has not been approved by the FDA for any use, and the safety and efficacy of remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19 have not been established.
Edit: These drugs have yet to successfully complete the full clinical trials needed to demonstrate they are safe and effective. Consequently they have limited approvals for use on very sick people.
For even more clarity , the above is the situation in the USA only. National drug approval bodies are notoriously parochial, the FDA being perhaps the most parochial, so whatever approvals a drug may have outside the country count for nothing. On its American website, Gilead has to write that remdesivir has not been approved by the FDA for any use, but it's a different story in the EU, for example, where Veklury received orphan drug designation in 2016 for treatment of Ebola (without much success) and has been repurposed at least three times since then, each time with limited success. This fourth time may be the charm...
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Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden holds a 14-point lead over President Trump, he has the support of 53 percent of registered voters in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll taken right after their first debate.

Biden’s lead increased 8 percentage points from a poll before last week’s debate.
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Will be interesting to see the polls during Trump's hospital stay.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

In case anyone's in the mood for a laugh...
Last night on SNL, Jim Carrey and Alec Baldwin did hilarious impersonations of Biden and Trump in a satire of their recent debate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsije1KetVw&t=611s
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In case anyone's in the mood for a laugh...
Last night on SNL, Jim Carrey and Alec Baldwin did hilarious impersonations of Biden and Trump in a satire of their recent debate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsije1KetVw&t=611s
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In serious cases, the symptoms are mild at first, but deteriorate after around five to ten days.

In such cases, the person requires hospital treatment, in many cases with supplemental oxygen.
There is the usual lack of clarity about Trump and when he was first diagnosed. His doctor has now admitted Trump needed additional oxygen on both Friday and Saturday which is extremely early assuming he was diagonsed Thursday.
He also said Trump is now receiving dexamethasone

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The RECOVERY trial provides evidence that treatment with dexamethasone at a dose of 6 mg once daily for up to 10 days reduces 28-day mortality in patients with Covid-19 who are receiving respiratory support.
We found no benefit (and the possibility of harm) among patients who did not require oxygen.
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Trump is being treated with dexamethasone, REGN-COV2 and Remdesivir (plus it is claimed zinc, vitamin D, famotidine, melatonin and a daily aspirin.) so he is, or was, seriously sick and it is not even 5 days yet since his diagnosis. All of the first three drugs are reserved for people with severe symptoms since these drugs carry their own risks and have not been clinically tested in combination; sometimes the cure can be worse than the disease.
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Trump is being treated with dexamethasone, REGN-COV2 and Remdesivir (plus it is claimed zinc, vitamin D, famotidine, melatonin and a daily aspirin.) so he is, or was, seriously sick and it is not even 5 days yet since his diagnosis. All of the first three drugs are reserved for people with severe symptoms since these drugs carry their own risks and have not been clinically tested in combination; sometimes the cure can be worse than the disease.
I understand why they want to throw the proverbial kitchen sink at him, but I'm a bit concerned. If he recovers, how will anyone know what (if any) treatments actually helped? If he does not recover, how will anyone know whether a particular treatment choice was useless or harmful? How will anyone know whether it was a combination that helped or harmed?

I know he's been enthusiastic about trial medicines before but it seems a bit reckless to me to go full whack like this with so many different, unproven medicines.

Edit - And despite all they're doing and how it seems to imply his case is serious, they're talking about discharge from hospital as early as tomorrow.

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