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Maybe it's just time for the US to change and move away from the presidential system, as it doesn't really seem to be working (anymore).



If you look at other countries with a presidential system, there don't seem to be many among them with a strong and healthy democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ential_systems

Without a civil war, or good ol' dose of 'regime change and freedom' courtesy of the USA, has any country peacefully managed this?
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Maybe it's just time for the US to change and move away from the presidential system, as it doesn't really seem to be working (anymore).



If you look at other countries with a presidential system, there don't seem to be many among them with a strong and healthy democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ential_systems
Switzerland?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ential_systems
I think they are -- as authoritatism slowly takes hold.


Edit: Sorry...it's
Authoritarianism... 16 long but damning letters

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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

The next debate
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The Commission on Presidential Debates announced Thursday that the second meeting between President Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden will be virtual “to protect the health and safety of all involved.”

The commission said the debate will take the form of a town meeting, with the candidates participating from separate, remote locations. The moderator and questioners will still be in Miami.

"I'm not doing a virtual debate," Trump said, saying it would be a waste of his time.

The decision may backfire on the president should he sit out, as he is trailing in national polls and several swing state polls with less than a month until Election Day.
The debate represents one of the few remaining opportunities for Trump to close the gap with Biden on a national stage.
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If I was Biden I would be worried in a live debate that Trump deliberately runs over and coughs on him; he must be very thankful for the virtual approach.
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This is the best news since sliced bread. Sorry to mix my metaphors, but hoorah!!!
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If I was Biden I would be worried in a live debate that Trump deliberately runs over and coughs on him; he must be very thankful for the virtual approach.
My husband had similar thoughts. He thinks Trump would stride over and offer to shake hands, and Biden would of course have to refuse. Then Trump would jump all over Biden "being scared" of the virus that he (Trump) already beat in record time.
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Frank Fahrenkopf, head of the Commission on Presidential Debates, said it is fully within President Trump’s right to decline to debate after

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In 1980 Democratic nominee and incumbent President Jimmy Carter only participated in the second debate.
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If I was Biden I would be worried in a live debate that Trump deliberately runs over and coughs on him; he must be very thankful for the virtual approach.
Everything has to be on Trump's own terms, or else he throws a fit about it.

Biden has agreed to do a virtual debate, but in another perfect example of how Trump blame shifts and psychologically projects, he is trying to accuse Biden of being afraid to debate him rather than Trump acknowledging that he is the one who is actually backing out of the debate.

"The safety of all involved can easily be achieved without canceling a chance for voters to see both candidates go head to head. We’ll pass on this sad excuse to bail out Joe Biden and do a rally instead," the campaign said in a statement Thursday morning.

So apparently, Trump would rather hold one of his rallies so he can simultaneously get his ego stroked and potentially infect even more people.
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So apparently, Trump would rather hold one of his rallies so he can simultaneously get his ego stroked and potentially infect even more people.
Anyone stupid enough to show up is going to deserve whatever they get.

But isn’t this a crime, going back to Typhoid Mary’s days? Putting yourself in a situation where you will cause the spread of infection?
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Anyone stupid enough to show up is going to deserve whatever they get.

But isn’t this a crime, going back to Typhoid Mary’s days? Putting yourself in a situation where you will cause the spread of infection?
It should be considered a crime, indeed. The guy has shown absolutely no concern whatsoever for the safety and well-being of other people. Even throughout this pandemic, has he ever expressed any real care about the people who have died and/or become very ill from this virus or all the people who have lost loved ones?

I was thinking earlier about how Trump has simultaneously admitted to lying to the American people about the danger of the virus and is now trying to portray himself as a hero after having beaten it. So it's like, which is it, Trump? Is the virus "no big deal" or is it such a big deal that you are a hero for having survived it? It's just absolutely mind-blowing that people can be so incredibly stupid to not see through his bullshit.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

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The top US intelligence official on election security says that foreign adversaries are exploiting lies by President Donald Trump in their campaigns to influence the 2020 election.

Bill Evanina, the Director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center, agreed when asked by Hearst Television that foreign powers are using the numerous exaggerated and false claims Trump has made about mail-in voting, voting multiple times and 2020 being the most fraudulent election in history.
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I am past being surprised by new Trump-related revelations.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said today that Democrats will hold an event on Friday to discuss the 25th Amendment amid concerns over President Trump’s coronavirus diagnosis.

What is the 25th Amendment in simple terms?
It clarifies that the vice president becomes president (as opposed to acting president) if the president dies, resigns, or is removed from office; and establishes procedures for filling a vacancy in the office of the vice president and for responding to presidential disabilities.
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Trump: "I'm back because I am a perfect physical specimen and I'm extremely young. And so I'm lucky in that way,"

I can't even make tbis up even if I finish a whole bottle of whatever. I don't know any more if he's on steroids that twist his perception or whether he's increasingly frustrated and disconnected with reality due to his losing campaign. And some people were questioning Biden's mental health

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/08/p...iew/index.html
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It clarifies that the vice president becomes president (as opposed to acting president) if the president dies, resigns, or is removed from office; and establishes procedures for filling a vacancy in the office of the vice president and for responding to presidential disabilities.
As much as Trump terrifies me, invoking the 25th could open a pandora's box.

First, we'd end up with Pence not only for the remainder of Trump's term (or a recovery from his illness) but also in a position to win the election, should he then be chosen to replace Trump on the ticket.

Pence is highly unlikeable. Sanctimony doesn't play well with the base, despite it's evangelical bent. The base is about anger. Pence's chance of election on his own are fairly low. But in a 25th situation he'd likely garner a huge 'Trump tribute' vote from the base.

Pence is a pure ideologue, and, as many Hoosiers learned the hard way, it's not hyperbole to say that his vision is tinged with shades of Gilead. I shudder to think what he could do. He is as destructive as Trump, but without the (visible) crazy - which could be even worse.

We have seen that our system of checks and balances is utterly broken. The few Republicans whose consciences are starting to baulk at Trumps increasingly erratic behaviour would fall right back in line under Pence, with McConnell firmly in control.

Invoking the 25th requires the VP and cabinet to put the wheels in motion. Would Pence, the loyal toady, have the courage to take that step? There are few adults left in the room, the cabinet is now largely Trump's yes-men. Would they go out on a limb to take that step? Or would self-interest override, would we see them scrambling to ditch Trump if they thought that Pence was their ticket to safety?

I remember reading an article somewhere claiming that Pence actually believes God wants him to be president. Yet he seems to understand that he is too unpopular to win on his own. The question remains, which is stronger - his belief in a God-sent destiny, or his toadyism?

A second reason why I worry about invoking the 25th: Civil unrest. We saw the Proud Boys response ("Standing by, Sir") to Trump's comments. They, and other militia-esque groups, are itching' for a fight should their hero take a fall.

There is another reason why I would not want to see the 25th invoked: I fear in today's hyper-partisan world it would then become a tool to be invoked for political reasons, not used as intended.

It's bad enough that we know Trump will contest the election results, and that the SC will likely give it to him. We are becoming increasingly numb to all the games and machinations and end-runs around voting as 'business as usual'. We are at a dangerous point where elections barely matter anymore.

The only way I see forward is to prove that elections still count. That means an overwhelming blue wave, a clearly undeniable message that the majority of Americans still believe in the American Experiment.
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I enjoy reading your posts, Meloncollie. You bring level-headedness to this very emotional issue.

For democracy to survive in the US, I believe the electoral vote needs to be changed. It no longer represents all the people equally.

In 2000, Gore won the popular vote but lost to GWB in the electoral vote.
In 2016, Clinton won the popular vote but lost to Trump in the electoral vote. Imagine if this happens again.

Americans are beginning to live in fear of mass rioting no matter who wins. Trump and his party are evil and have led the US to its present state.
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Although people support the electoral college because it‘s

1. what the framers proposed
2. gives the states an equal voice (or so they say)

Electoral college rules about electors vary by state so there is no consistency. If you look into it carefully, it has its roots in giving slave owners an advantage, and it‘s just not needed anymore. It gives low population areas an unequal advantage, assuming that state boundaries are some sort of natural thing, when they’re more often lines drawn of convenience. It really should be one vote, one person. Most people who study this stuff worth their salt (and I freely admit that I follow experts here) say it’s time to get rid of the electoral college.

I believe this will make federal elections more fair.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

A pretty much spot-on Op Ed piece by Timothy Egan in todays' NYT, 'What Makes Mike Pence's Complicity So Chilling':

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/o...gtype=Homepage

From the article:

"As we saw in Wednesday night’s debate, Pence is not just the great enabler of Trump’s awfulness, but the man who puts a godly sheen on it. In that sense, he’s more dangerous, and arguably more evil, than Trump.

You have to think that he knows better, that he knows the man he serves is rotten to the core. But his sycophancy is not all connivance and cunning. No — he’s simply playing his role in God’s plan.
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(The article might be behind a paywall.)
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Interesting that Pence flew back to DC ahead of schedule. And while it may be nothing, people have commented on his single red eye (conjunctivitis in a single eye is sometimes a sign of Covid)
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As much as Trump terrifies me, invoking the 25th could open a pandora's box.
Pelosi is an experienced politician, I doubt she will seriously invoke the 25th.
I believe her objective is to keep the campaign debate focussed on COVID-19 which is Trump's weakest point and why he keeps trying to change the conversation.
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All of those Trump fans who have been confidently forecasting the end of the Democrats when the John Durham Justice Department’s report on the origins of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election is released will be crying in their beers tonight

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A senior White House official and a congressional aide informed Axios of the remarks, with one source saying that U.S. Attorney John Durham, who is leading the report, is not concerned with adhering to political pressure to complete the study by a certain deadline, adding that Durham is working deliberately and in a calculated manner.
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From the very limited number of leaks about this report I would postulate the real reason for delay is that they have not found anything to support the claims of a biased and corrupt investigation; another nothing burger

Looking forward to another Trump twitter storm.

Meanwhile both FiveThirtyEight and Real Clear politics poll of polls show Biden around 10 points ahead nationally versus Hillary at the same point who was five points ahead.

More worrying in the swing states that Hillary failed in, Biden is slightly below where Hillary was at this same date.
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