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Or maybe, because finding the optimal running mate will always be a matter of opinion, and there are lots of possibilities, why not specifically choose from a specific group. It’s always a local maximum problem.
All the more reason to at least pretend that there are no limitations.

Of course there's a ton of behind-the-scene dealing and agreements. Getting someone in such a position, i.e. an alpha person, to agree to settle for second best and keep from pushing for the top position is probably almost impossible. The VP's willingness and ability(!) to enter into and exercise such an agreement seems likely to exclude 90% of the candidates, and many of the remaining will be ineligible because they have too many skeletons in the closet.
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I guess that's one way of looking at it but I prefer an honest approach in that he is declaring his intentions rather than putting a man on the list only to satisfy those who feel a man should be represented as well.
Like, who?

In the current climate each and every Democrat with a public profile who'd even remotely suggest anything to that end would be immediately shot down and canceled. Immediately, and without the slightest chance for a comeback.

And as for the derogative "old white men" ... this is a sexist, ageist and racist term. Nothing could demonstrate the double standards of the woketivists and modern feminists any better.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

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I stand behind each of those VP candidates and your premise that they will be shot down is a matter of opinion.

I should have added “largely corrupt” old white men.
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Nothing really, but given that they’re not doing a spectacular job, maybe it;s time to see what women and people of color can contribute.
Hillary did an absolutely awful job in 2016. Maybe time just to consider people on their own merits rather than determining their merits by their gender and ethnicity, which is a frankly appalling concept.

Incidentally I thought the best Democratic candidate was female this time around - Amy Klobuchar. Mayor Pete also wasn't bad, but President is too big a step up for him.
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Not sure that separating people out by colour and ethnicity is terribly wise or remotely liberal. Hillary did a bloody awful job in 2016. Maybe time just to consider people on their own merits.

Incidentally I thought the best Democratic candidate was female this time around - Amy Klobuchar.
I actually believe in affirmative action, so that’s why I’m separating them out. Give someone else a chance.
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Because then you're discriminating against roughly half the pouplation plus you can't be certain that the job is being given to the best candidate.
Adult males represent only around 36% of the US population
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I actually believe in affirmative action, so that’s why I’m separating them out. Give someone else a chance.
Fair enough. I think it propagates division and stokes the fires of trumpism personally. I genuinely don't give a damn what gender, sexuality or ethnicity my candidate is as long as they represent my views.

I was even a re-election campaign chair for a UK female (and bi/homosexual- not sure exactly what she defines herself as and don't really care) cabinet minister. That should narrow it down a bit!
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Fair enough. I think it propagates division and stokes the fires of trumpism personally. I genuinely don't give a damn what gender, sexuality or ethnicity my candidate is as long as they represent my views.

I was even a re-election campaign chair for a UK female (and bi/homosexual- not sure exactly what she defines herself as and don't really care) cabinet minister. That should narrow it down a bit!
May I surmise you’re a white male? If the playing field were level, that’s great. But the playing field is not level for everyone. And until it is leveled, affirmative action has a place. But that’s my opinion, and there you have it.
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Hillary did an absolutely awful job in 2016. Maybe time just to consider people on their own merits rather than determining their merits by their gender and ethnicity, which is a frankly appalling concept.
I agree with this. Wonder what gave her the confidence that it would be a successful strategy, at all.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Of course, the truth is, as an Expat American who probably will never live in the US again, neither candidate will do jack squat about US involvement (e.g., taxes, FATCA) in expat affairs, and neither will make any policy changes that will make it easier for US citizens to live abroad.

So i guess one votes for the candidate one thinks will make the US more habitable for those remaining there.
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by the time November comes, I think the Orange Man will have lost many of those who voted for him to COVID-19. There goes the popular majority he never had.......

but he will live on in the Twitterverse forever.
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So i guess one votes for the candidate one thinks will make the US more habitable for those remaining there.
Well I would hope that those with a vote, which I am not, should be voting for the candidate one thinks will make the world more habitable. Someone who recognises that multilateralism sure beats going it alone.

But those that do have a vote, please exercise your right. I don't care who you vote for, but just vote. As it is complicated for expats, you should be preparing now to exercise your rights.
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People have been saying that since the 1960s. How are the septuagenarian flower children voting now?

If anything, aging demographics represent an uphill slope for "progressives".
Dunno. Am mid 60’s. Lots of people I know - tail end of baby boomers are still voting “progressive”.
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by the time November comes, I think the Orange Man will have lost many of those who voted for him to COVID-19. There goes the popular majority he never had.......

but he will live on in the Twitterverse forever.
As dark-humoured as that is, it does have a strong tang of irony about it that the userbase the president relies on are the ones doing the least to protect themselves.

I would be somewhat morbidly interested in knowing mortality rates from COVID19 of Democrats vs Republicans to see if there is any significant correlation...
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Nothing really, but given that they’re not doing a spectacular job, maybe it;s time to see what women and people of color can contribute.
The old white men seem to be doing a pretty decent job in Switzerland.
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This is a fascinating place. On one hand, mods go on about welcoming different opinions. On the other, certain members will groan you if they disagree with your OPINION. But I guess that welcome works only for the right opinion.
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The old white men seem to be doing a pretty decent job in Switzerland.
Women, too.
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The old white men seem to be doing a pretty decent job in Switzerland.
There are three women in the Bundesrat with the President being a female as well. Check out this website and learn.

https://www.admin.ch/gov/de/start/bu...ndesrates.html
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I stand behind each of those VP candidates and your premise that they will be shot down is a matter of opinion.
I didn't think the part I boldened refers to the VP candidates. Does it?
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I should have added “largely corrupt” old white men.
How's that any better, or even different? You still select by age, ethnicity/race, and age. As if that's not just a slip-up but actually how you function and think.
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This is a fascinating place. On one hand, mods go on about welcoming different opinions. On the other, certain members will groan you if they disagree with your OPINION. But I guess that welcome works only for the right opinion.
Come on now, you both joined around the same time, and Full circle has 28 times more groans than you.

Affirmative action has it's share of critics, multiplied by politics and you're sure to ruffle a few feathers.
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Come on now, you both joined around the same time, and Full circle has 28 times more groans than you.

Affirmative action has it's share of critics, multiplied by politics and you're sure to ruffle a few feathers.
Ok, so i should be grateful for the groan? Nah. If I said people who don’t agree with my opinion are ......... (something negative), fair enough. But I didn’t. So no.
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