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From your link.
"We know that there was corruption on the part of the Bidens in the Ukraine. We got the affidavits, we got the testimony"

This is nonsense, where are these affidavits and testimony?
Why have they never been produced?
Why were they not shared with the Senate investigation into Hunter?

This commentator knows so little about the subject he writes "in the Ukraine" which is incorrect; correct is "in Ukraine".
Okay Marton and Pancakes, Joe is a choir boy/saint! How he and his family managed to amass a fortune was beyond luck - given their humble beginnings. What a "lucky" family they are! They never used Joe's political position to amass their family fortune. They were just "lucky"! What a fairy tale indeed...
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Old 16.10.2020, 23:39
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Okay Marton and Pancakes, Joe is a choir boy/saint! How he and his family managed to amass a fortune was beyond luck - given their humble beginnings. What a "lucky" family they are! They never used Joe's political position to amass their family fortune. They were just "lucky"! What a fairy tale indeed...
Of course, they tried to use Joe's political position as much as they could.
But there is no evidence that Joe was involved or supported them and there is no evidence they did anything illegal.
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Okay Marton and Pancakes, Joe is a choir boy/saint! How he and his family managed to amass a fortune was beyond luck - given their humble beginnings. What a "lucky" family they are! They never used Joe's political position to amass their family fortune. They were just "lucky"! What a fairy tale indeed...
I've never said that Joe Biden is a "choir boy saint." But please explain to me what "fortune" does Joe Biden have, exactly? Up until 2017, he was making less than $400,000 per year... which yes, is quite a bit of money, but not what I would call a "fortune." He didn't make a lot of money until 2017, and that was due to his books and public speaking engagements. I've listed below his income for each year since 1998, as taken from his tax returns, as well as the link where I got those numbers from (because unlike Trump, Biden has revealed his tax returns):

1998: $215,432 2005: $321,379 2012: $385,072
1999: $210,797 2006: $248,459 2013: $407,009
2000: $219,953 2007: $319,853 2014: $388,844
2001: $220,712 2008: $269,256 2015: $392,233
2002: $227,811 2009: $333,182 2016: $396,456
2003: $231,375 2010: $379,178 2017: $11,031,309
2004: $234,271 2011: $379,035 2018: $4,580,437

The high incomes of 2017 and 2018 are after his role as VP and are due to (quote): "More than four dozen events characterized either as speaking engagements or book tour events, for each of which he typically earned five- and six-figure payments."

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...his-own-incom/

I'd also like to point out the fact that Biden's tax returns reveal that he has paid a large percentage of his income in US taxes (23.5 percent, 33.9 percent and 33.4 percent for 2016, 2017 and 2018, respectively).

Also, Joe Biden has been a Senator since the 1970s, and Senators have high salaries (relatively speaking). Yes, Biden had humble beginnings, but why do you think that necessarily means that his income was obtained wrongfully or immorally? I don't recall ever hearing anything about Biden using a charity to funnel money for personal income or taking out huge multi-million dollar loans, building a fortune on those loans and then refusing to pay them back.

But as I mentioned before... Nice attempt at psychological projection. But maybe try a little harder next time to not make it so obvious.

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Okay Marton and Pancakes, Joe is a choir boy/saint! How he and his family managed to amass a fortune was beyond luck - given their humble beginnings. What a "lucky" family they are! They never used Joe's political position to amass their family fortune. They were just "lucky"! What a fairy tale indeed...
If you become well known in politics then yes, of course you make money through visibility and reputation. In addition to being well compensated with almost no expenses of your own to pay out; people want your attention, they want your favour, they want your endorsement and you create networks of contacts of rich and powerful people that you would likely not otherwise have. This extends to your family who have opportunities they likely would not otherwise have as a result of you being a world-famous politician. This is so obvious that the fact you are pointing it out as though it somehow equals corruption is almost childlike in its naivety.

If you have specific accusations of wrongdoing (eg: corruption) then list and link to them.

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Of course, they tried to use Joe's political position as much as they could.
But there is no evidence that Joe was involved or supported them and there is no evidence they did anything illegal.
I gather you wrote too soon as the evidence is now out regarding Joe and his corroboration with Hunter's Chinese business connections. The question is, "Who is the Big Guy?"

Sorry, just read that Hunter's former associate has confirmed to Breitbart that "The Big Guy" is none other than Joe himself! Who would ever ever thought????

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I gather you wrote too soon as the evidence is now out regarding Joe and his corroboration with Hunter's Chinese business connections. The question is, "Who is the Big Guy?"
What evidence? I just checked the Foxnews website anf even they have none to report and just bitch about how Biden called it a smear campaign.
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What evidence? I just checked the Foxnews website anf even they have none to report and just bitch about how Biden called it a smear campaign.
Sorry...Can't find the Breitbart article but here is the article from NY Post who broke the Hunter Biden email laptop story:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/16/hunter...source-report/
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Oh, lets fight racism by setting up P.O.C, Places Of Color, for "people of color" instead of the old racist "colored people". So the answer to racism is now SEGREGATION? Really?
In higher education it indeed is, and has been for a long time.

There are ~100 HBCU's today, Historically Black Colleges and Universities (according to Wiki down from ~120 a century ago). As the name implies they're intended for black students only, though they do and did have students from other nonwhite groups as well (some 20% today, up from 10-15% when race segregation ended).

Their relevance (percentage of blacks who get their degree at an HBCU) keeps falling as student opportunities elsewhere increase. Many struggle to remain viable, and some have resorted to accepting white students as a result.

But that's Ok, it's perfectly fine for black people to be racist against whites.
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Old 17.10.2020, 19:34
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Sorry...Can't find the Breitbart article but here is the article from NY Post who broke the Hunter Biden email laptop story:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/16/hunter...source-report/
You call that article evidence? Don't bother looking for the Breitbart piece, I am sure I know what it says.
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Their relevance (percentage of blacks who get their degree at an HBCU) keeps falling as student opportunities elsewhere increase. Many struggle to remain viable, and some have resorted to accepting white students as a result.
For financial reasons or as positive discrimination?
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Sorry...Can't find the Breitbart article but here is the article from NY Post who broke the Hunter Biden email laptop story:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/16/hunter...source-report/
From that article:
"An email thread that appears to show Hunter Biden pursuing a lucrative energy business deal in China — and possibly cutting his father in on the action — has been verified as authentic by one of its recipients, Fox News reported Friday night."

Notice the use of the word possibly in there. And who exactly is the "recipient" that they speak of?

It's interesting, though, that Trump supporters have no problem with Trump and his daughter both having their merchandise lines manufactured in China, which means business deals with China, and yet when it is merely suggested (without evidence) that Biden's son may have had some kind of business deal with China, they try to blow it up into a smear campaign against Biden.

It's also interesting that the right tries to create this scandal and implant that in people's minds and yet make no mention of Trump being in major debt to Russia due to him having taken out huge loans from Russia when US banks wouldn't loan him money anymore.

Ahhhh... Psychological projection. Up next: Trump and the GOP accuse Biden of bribing a foreign leader for political favors in a desperate attempt to win the election. I can just imagine a group of Republicans sitting around together all day, desperately trying to invent scandals about Biden.
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Watching this right now-

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Watching this right now-

Rudy seems surprisingly sober here. Still cannot watch this for more than a minute, so might miss the truth being revealed.
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My take is that they are all corrupt, Democrats and Republicans. I do see the double standards of left leaning big tech though.

A fun take-

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Sorry...Can't find the Breitbart article but here is the article from NY Post who broke the Hunter Biden email laptop story:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/16/hunter...source-report/
Sharing Russian propaganda is not evidence.
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Watching this right now-

He holds up a laptop and says "This is the hard drive they're on" but never shows the emails.
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Old 17.10.2020, 20:15
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He holds up a laptop and says "This is the hard drive they're on" but never shows the emails.


Trump supporters will swallow that "Emperor's clothes nonsense" whole and share it as evidence; even in this forum.

Meanwhile, the FBI has announced they are investigating Russian interference in the election; hope they keep the pedal to the metal.
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Trump supporters will swallow that "Emperor's clothes nonsense" whole and share it as evidence; even in this forum.

Meanwhile, the FBI has announced they are investigating Russian interference in the election; hope they keep the pedal to the metal.
Except... Let's review the facts. It is a fact that the laptop is/was in fact Hunter Biden's - even the Biden camp is not disputing this.

The emails reveal much about Hunter, his business "development" and his father's corroboration so how exactly did Russia play a role here? Now I am curious and I am neither a Trump nor Biden fan...
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For financial reasons or as positive discrimination?
I don't remember seeing data on the reasons, but I would expect it to be caused by discrimination mostly, by affirmative action in PC-speak. When you can chose between A and B, most will pick that which seems to provide better prospects, i.e. the higher-ranking institution, and avoid the HBCU. Especially if that comes at no or very small direct financial costs.

Many will ignore the probability of success at their own peril. Getting access based on affirmative action only means your performance is subpar, so your ranking among the students will probably be in the lowest third. Unsurprisingly this is the group with the highest dropout rate.
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Except... Let's review the facts. It is a fact that the laptop is/was in fact Hunter Biden's - even the Biden camp is not disputing this.

The emails reveal much about Hunter, his business "development" and his father's corroboration so how exactly did Russia play a role here? Now I am curious and I am neither a Trump nor Biden fan...
They are not disputing this? Is there hard evidence of proof of the ownership of the laptop. I just read something on Snopes calling a lot of this into question. So, to be honest, I question that these are indeed facts.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/10/...ptop-giuliani/
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