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Old 19.10.2020, 22:06
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

This was sort of funny/sad.

Trump supporters borrow a photo from the Zurich street parade to claim there were YUUUUGE crowds in Florida.

https://www.blick.ch/news/ausland/sc...d16150854.html
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Trump’s kids are just as bad. They really are a bunch of grifters. At least Ivanka, Don jr and Eric. So they all work in the WH/ on his re-election campaign.
Agree with you regarding Trump and his kid's piggybacking on their father's name. But the issue here is not Trump nor his kids but Biden and his role as VP in terms of Hunter's business ventures.

I could care less about Hunter's drug issues as I really feel sorry for Joe here; no parent can control their kid's behavior nor should they be held responsible for their kid's behavior. Shame on the NY Post for publishing text messages from Joe to his son while his son was in rehab. To me that is heinous...

That said, Joe needs to come forward regarding both China and Barisma - given the emails. He absolutely knew about his son's business dealings and facilitated them. That is my problem with Joe. He is is not the middle class choir boy to which he professes. He has denied EVER discussing his family's business dealings and it is very clear he was involved and then some.

To be honest, so many politicians have been guilty of using their position for financial gain: Bush/Cheney (Haliburton), Pelosi, Ryan, Schumer... the list is too exhaustive.

What upsets me about Joe, is the China issue. He was decidedly soft on China as VP when China literally stole patent technology and info from the US and European companies - and his son was at the same time reaping massive financial rewards from the Chinese government/company - and apparently, introduced his Dad to the Chinese company in question. To me, that is reprehensible on all levels.

We shall see how things develop. But I read Schweizer's book in January - and he outlined and produced 20 or so pages of footnotes to his research. Neither Biden nor his campaign sued for libel or defamation. What does that tell you?
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If only they were women.

Oh wait, maybe they are. Maybe they identify as women.



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That said, Joe needs to come forward regarding both China and Barisma - given the emails. He absolutely knew about his son's business dealings and facilitated them. That is my problem with Joe. He is is not the middle class choir boy to which he professes. He has denied EVER discussing his family's business dealings and it is very clear he was involved and then some.

To be honest, so many politicians have been guilty of using their position for financial gain: Bush/Cheney (Haliburton), Pelosi, Ryan, Schumer... the list is too exhaustive.

What upsets me about Joe, is the China issue. He was decidedly soft on China as VP when China literally stole patent technology and info from the US and European companies - and his son was at the same time reaping massive financial rewards from the Chinese government/company - and apparently, introduced his Dad to the Chinese company in question. To me, that is reprehensible on all levels.

We shall see how things develop. But I read Schweizer's book in January - and he outlined and produced 20 or so pages of footnotes to his research. Neither Biden nor his campaign sued for libel or defamation. What does that tell you?
I have read quite a few articles about all of this but still can't seem to figure out what exactly Joe Biden has done wrong. Is there proof that Joe Biden has made a lot of money from his son's affiliations with China? And if he did, why is that wrong when Trump himself is millions of dollars in debt to China, and his son-in-law has received $400 million from a Chinese company.

Why is that something Biden's son has once done is considered a "conflict of interest" for Joe Biden, and yet Trump being so heavily in debt to China while serving as US President is not?


Trump owes tens of millions to Bank of China

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...na-debt-205475


"In 2012, the Bank of China, a commercial bank owned by the Chinese state, provided more than two hundred million dollars in loans to a New York office building that Trump co-owns... The loans will come due in 2022."
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...-debt-to-china

"A company owned by the family of Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, stands to receive more than US$400 million from a prominent Chinese company that is investing in the Kushners’ marquee Manhattan office tower at 666 Fifth Ave."
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...-us400-million
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So here is an interview on Fresh Air, the npr radio program, with Josh Green. He works for Bloomberg and in 2019, he wrote about Peter Schweizer and his efforts - Schweizer had not yet published Profiles in Corruption.

His point, and I’ve seen this else where, is that Hunter Biden did nothing legally wrong, but perhaps morally shaky. He says this


“ So it's the sort of - it's what, you know, Schweizer calls corruption by proxy. There's nothing explicitly illegal, but it's sort of morally corrupt and an indictment of our system in a way that populist Republicans and Democrats like to criticize.”

The rest of the interview is here....
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/09/76855...eachment-peril
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Old 20.10.2020, 10:57
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More than 50 former senior intelligence officials have signed on to a letter outlining their belief that the recent disclosure of emails allegedly belonging to Joe Biden’s son “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”
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The New York Times raised questions on Sunday about the rigor of the Post’s reporting process, revealing that several of its reporters had refused to put their name on the Biden stories because they were concerned about the authenticity of the materials.

Trump's National Counterintelligence and Security Center Director Bill Evanina said in August that Russia has been trying to denigrate Biden’s campaign.

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Commission approves rules to mute mics at final Trump-Biden debate
The Commission on Presidential Debates has adopted new rules muting the microphones of President Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden to give them two minutes of uninterrupted time at the beginning of each debate segment.

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The Commission on Presidential Debates has adopted new rules muting the microphones of President Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden to give them two minutes of uninterrupted time at the beginning of each debate segment.
Yah, for two minutes each.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Some interesting observations here which explains the behaviour that we see in this forum.
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The Real Divide in America Is Between Political Junkies and Everyone Else

Most Americans view politics as two camps bickering endlessly and fruitlessly over unimportant issues.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/o...?smid=em-share
This should be from behind the NYT’s paywall
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Interesting point of view from a German living in Japan

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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Alice in Wonderland
“Who are you?” said the Caterpillar.
This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, “I—I hardly know, Sir, just at present—at least I know who I was when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.”
“What do you mean by that?” said the Caterpillar, sternly. “Explain yourself!”
“I can't explain myself, I’m afraid, Sir,” said Alice, “because I am not myself, you see.”

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President Donald Trump told White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, his tweets about declassifying all Russia documents weren't an order to declassify or release those records, according to a sworn statement filed in court on Tuesday.
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All Russia Hoax Scandal information was Declassified by me long ago. Unfortunately for our Country, people have acted very slowly, especially since it is perhaps the biggest political crime in the history of our Country. Act!!!
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Old 20.10.2020, 21:18
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Bipartisanship in action
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Joe Biden’s transition team is vetting a handful of Republicans for potential Cabinet positions — despite doubts it will win him new support from the right and the risk it will enrage the left.

Reaching across the aisle to pick senior members of his administration could shore up Biden's credentials as a unity candidate, a message he's made a cornerstone of his campaign.
Past presidents including George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have all done the same.
That tradition died with President Donald Trump
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Hasn’t Trump appointed a lot of private sector folk with little experience in government. Like DeVos.
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Old 20.10.2020, 22:19
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Hasn’t Trump appointed a lot of private sector folk with little experience in government. Like DeVos.
Sure, but some were not so bad like Wray at the FBI, Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State, Nikki Haley, Ambassador to the U.N, James Mattis, Secretary of Defense.
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I was just blocked 2x trying to submit a reply to Pancakes. Why exactly Mods?
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Old 21.10.2020, 10:45
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Seems Trump does pay his taxes in China
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President Donald Trump's tax records show he has pursued expansive business projects in China for years and even maintains a Chinese bank account, The New York Times reported Tuesday, disclosures that deal a blow to the President's efforts to paint Democratic nominee Joe Biden as the presidential candidate who is soft on China.

The Chinese account, the newspaper said, is controlled by Trump International Hotels Management and it paid $188,561 in taxes in the country from 2013 to 2015.
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buahahaha quality again. 2/2
is spalebärg an incel?
WTF come one. I didn't see the video but can we please keep that incel/simp descriptor BS out of EF.
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Old 21.10.2020, 11:25
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I was just blocked 2x trying to submit a reply to Pancakes. Why exactly Mods?
Define "blocked". Were you trying to reply to a private message or to post here in the thread? Did you receive an error message of some kind? Our forum software is old (understatement) and can be rather glitchy.

Mods can't prevent you from posting anything on the open boards unless we ban you. You can reply to whomever you want whenever you want. At most we can delete a reply after it's already posted. We haven't deleted any of your posts recently, on this thread or any other. I went back two months and none of your posts have been deleted.

If you tried to reply to a private message, mods can't see anything to do with users' private messages. We can't prevent/block you from messaging someone. Users can block each other, but because Pancakes is quoting and replying to you in the thread, it's clear that she has not blocked you.

My guess is a forum glitch, nothing nefarious. Give it another try.
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Old 21.10.2020, 11:31
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WTF come one. I didn't see the video but can we please keep that incel/simp descriptor BS out of EF.
The video is from a channel called "Red Pill Germany", and the Youtube channel description reads "A channel discussing social topics concerning red pill philosophy, the manosphere and the good life from a German perspective.". I had no clue what "red pill philosophy was, so I googled it. The top 3 Google results say the following

Business Insider - Inside Red Pill, The Weird New Cult For Men Who Don't Understand Women
The Guardian - Swallowing the Red Pill: a journey to the heart of modern misogyny. The online community hosted on Reddit is where men go to air their toxic views about women. Stephen Marche aims to find out if The Red Pill is perpetuating a culture of hatred – or if it’s just a place to vent
Newstatesman.com - Spitting out the Red Pill: Former misogynists reveal how they were radicalised online. Subscribers of Reddit’s most notoriously sexist subreddit explain what happens when you change your mind.

I think the adjective suits the occasion.
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The video is from a channel called "Red Pill Germany", and the Youtube channel description reads "A channel discussing social topics concerning red pill philosophy, the manosphere and the good life from a German perspective.". I had no clue what "red pill philosophy was, so I googled it. The top 3 Google results say the following

Business Insider - Inside Red Pill, The Weird New Cult For Men Who Don't Understand Women
The Guardian - Swallowing the Red Pill: a journey to the heart of modern misogyny. The online community hosted on Reddit is where men go to air their toxic views about women. Stephen Marche aims to find out if The Red Pill is perpetuating a culture of hatred – or if it’s just a place to vent
Newstatesman.com - Spitting out the Red Pill: Former misogynists reveal how they were radicalised online. Subscribers of Reddit’s most notoriously sexist subreddit explain what happens when you change your mind.
Thanks for mansplaining that to me...

JK, I just wanted to illustrate how easily those trendy descriptors can be assigned and how unnerving it can feel to be thrown into a bucket with people one really doesn't relate with. Personally I can't stand that.

Yes, späleberg posted a video from a questionable channel. Should we automatically assume that he agrees with every other vid in this channel or even just has seen a second one?
He found one video, thought the content could be an interesting input to the discussion an postet it.

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Interesting point of view from a German living in Japan
The "hate" in return was absolutely uncalled for.
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Old 21.10.2020, 12:17
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Thanks for mansplaining that to me...

JK, I just wanted to illustrate how easily those trendy descriptors can be assigned and how unnerving it can feel to be thrown into a bucket with people one really doesn't relate with. Personally I can't stand that.

Yes, späleberg posted a video from a questionable channel. Should we automatically assume that he agrees with every other vid in this channel or even just has seen a second one?
He found one video, thought the content could be an interesting input to the discussion an postet it.



The "hate" in return was absolutely uncalled for.
2 questionable channels.. do keep up.
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