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Let's not deflect here. The issue I raised was with Biden (and I have never voted for Trump - nor would I). There is substantial evidence of Biden's involvement as VP in his son's dealings. Whether mainstream media chooses to report on this is another issue altogether. From what I have read, Biden reaped financial rewards and was "soft" on China to boot in his role as VP. Does that sound Presidential to you?

So while Biden is the less antagonistic president, he is still is part of the same swamp. Let's not forget his cognitive issues...

PS..Mods...I figured out the EF glitch in responding to Pancake's post. Anytime I tried to respond I was sent to the middle of the thread () So I could never post... This has never happened before as typically when one quotes a thread, they are sent to the bottom of that thread... Very odd indeed and No Marton..decidedly NOT fake news
This happened 3x now when trying to respond to Pancakes' post.. I figured it out and cursored down to the bottom of the thread
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Old 22.10.2020, 23:21
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Let's not forget his cognitive issues...
What cognitive issues? The only ones I know of are just in Trump's imagination.
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What cognitive issues? The only ones I know of are just in Trump's imagination.
Both have issues... But in my view, Biden suffers from dementia (My Mom who passed away in March also suffered from this affliction). Trump, in my view, suffers from Narcissistic personality disorder which is a completely different thing - as EVERYTHING is about him - and then some

This is why I chose not to vote in this election as to me, what a farce. These octogenarians, are the best we have as candidates in the US? Beyond sad...

But you forgot to reference Biden and the swamp? Why exactly?
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Old 22.10.2020, 23:29
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Let's not deflect here. The issue I raised was with Biden (and I have never voted for Trump - nor would I). There is substantial evidence of Biden's involvement as VP in his son's dealings. Whether mainstream media chooses to report on this is another issue altogether. From what I have read, Biden reaped financial rewards and was "soft" on China to boot in his role as VP. Does that sound Presidential to you?

So while Biden is the less antagonistic president, he is still is part of the same swamp. Let's not forget his cognitive issues...

PS..Mods...I figured out the EF glitch in responding to Pancake's post. Anytime I tried to respond I was sent to the middle of the thread () So I could never post... This has never happened before as typically when one quotes a thread, they are sent to the bottom of that thread... Very odd indeed and No Marton..decidedly NOT fake news
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Weird, but good you let us know. I remember some weird glitch happening as well with trying to respond to somebody months back..You can always try it manually through [QUOTE♡] text [/QUOTE♡], just without the hearts. And copy paste the message you want to quote into the text area.
Thanks! It was really odd and I assumed I did something wrong. But when I tried to quote/respond to the same thread, it happened again. Maybe let editor Bob know...
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Old 22.10.2020, 23:37
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Much more important things happening in the US than trying to smear Biden
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A new poll suggests the majority of Americans believe the coronavirus is out of control in the United States as a new wave of infections is moving through the country less than two weeks before the presidential election.

The Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday found that 6 in 10 likely voters say the spread of the coronavirus is out of control in the U.S.

The U.S. continues to be the worst-affected country in the world with more than 8.3 million cases and more than 222,000 deaths as of Thursday.

The number of single-day coronavirus deaths reported in the U.S. on Wednesday reached its highest total in two months, rising to 1,237.

More than 60,000 daily new cases have been reported for three straight days and hospitals in many states are beginning to exceed capacity.
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Unecessary deaths are now in their many thousands.
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Old 22.10.2020, 23:39
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Have to come back to this. Who has created more melodrama with his endless stream of tweets than the current President.
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Old 22.10.2020, 23:43
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Agree to a certain extent. "BLM" (if I assume that you mean "Black lives matter") is in principle a peaceful protest motto against police brutality. Naming BLM supporters in general as equivalent to neo-nazis is a bit of a stretch. On the other hand, Antifa is a fairly violent loose movement that, deplorable as it may be, is a response to facists and racism, without which they just wouldn't exist as such.
I'll quite happily lump BLM and Antifa together with neo-Nazis. Sure the original aim of the movement was quite noble but ultimately they've just lurched to an extremist position inciting division, the promotion of critical race theory and often outright violence and hate.

I had come to the conclusion that a Joe Biden win would be best for the the US. I've no doubt he'll be a terrible president, he's old and frail and his economic policy will make America poorer. Plus the even worse Kamala Harris will be likely be in the White House before his term is over. However in spite of what the New York Post says, I think he's a good guy who would make a far better head of state for the US than Donald Trump, a better representative, someone who will reach across the aisle and make moves to repair America, and yet...

Just like neo-Nazis, Antifa and BLM aren't going away. And just like Donald Trump and his lack of condemnation for the neo-Nazis, there's far too little condemnation of not just Antifa, but that culture that is being spread by it's Jesuit like followers from the likes of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

Joe Biden is very likely going to win next month, and if he does it'll be Covid what done it. That division though, and those extremist elements aren't going away anytime soon. I just pray there won't be violence.

The best case scenario is a convincing win, in mature democracies, and even in America, that should be enough to put the division to bed, at least in the short term. The worst case scenario I can imagine is that Donald Trump wins on the night but the postal votes declares Joe Biden winner weeks later. We'll really be in for a dark winter if that happens!

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Old 23.10.2020, 00:29
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Let's not deflect here. The issue I raised was with Biden (and I have never voted for Trump - nor would I). There is substantial evidence of Biden's involvement as VP in his son's dealings. Whether mainstream media chooses to report on this is another issue altogether. From what I have read, Biden reaped financial rewards and was "soft" on China to boot in his role as VP. Does that sound Presidential to you?

So while Biden is the less antagonistic president, he is still is part of the same swamp. Let's not forget his cognitive issues...
It's not me who is deflecting. It's Trump and his supporters. They tried to claim that Biden has ties with China and yet Trump is heavily in debt to China and, as more recently revealed, has a secret bank account there. They're also trying to accuse Biden of using his role as VP to prevent a company that his son is tied to from being investigated. And yet Trump has used his position as President to promote his properties and gain personal income and has also used his role as President to grant executive clemency to 25 people charged or convicted of federal criminal offenses.

Listen, it's quite clear that Trump and his team are desperate to get anything on Biden. And just to give you a sense of how truly irrational it's become, last night, Sean Hannity of Fox News set up a video camera in front of Biden's house, broadcast it on live television and started screaming and daring Biden to come outside.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...-bidens-emails

It's like these people are losing their ability to even think clearly (if ever they even did) because they're so desperate and so full of irrational hatred.

The only thing I really give a crap about right now is the outcome of the election. I'm tired of this continuous shit show that has been destroying America from the inside out over the past 4 years. Just think about what the past 4 years have been. Do we really want another 4 years of THAT? People are tired of the shit show. And if they aren't, it's because they thrive on drama and enjoy the US President acting like he's still the star of a reality television show.

Also, sorry... but just because you want Biden to have dementia doesn't mean that he does. I think that if he did have it, he would have been formally diagnosed by now, considering the kind of access to healthcare that he has.
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Exactly, makes life so much easier doesn't it? Why bother dealing with the actual content of a message when putting the sender in some premade boxes is so much easier?
Which is exactly what you just did yourself. Looks like you prefer an easy life.
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I guess it depends on the message. But, as a general rule - if you're posting crap expect to be called out. Not everyone is polite and that is unfortunate, however, in my experience polite people are often dismissed and bullied so I guess I developed some sort of tolerance to these labels and an understanding for people who use them....when they are warranted, of course.
Your reply to my post isn't really worth replying to. It's Ok though if you feel proud about what you wrote, that's very much a human thing.
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Looks like he can't please you no matter how hard he tries, marton.
I could be wrong, but I think that by "doing something", marton meant that Trump should take decisive action to halt the spread of SARS-CoV-2 in the US. I don't think that marton (or any reasonable person) views Trump holding yet more of his rallies, which have been shown to spread the virus, as "doing something" constructive for the benefit of the nation.

Maybe it's just me, but that's my hunch.
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Let's not deflect here. The issue I raised was with Biden (and I have never voted for Trump - nor would I). There is substantial evidence of Biden's involvement as VP in his son's dealings. Whether mainstream media chooses to report on this is another issue altogether. From what I have read, Biden reaped financial rewards and was "soft" on China to boot in his role as VP. Does that sound Presidential to you?

So while Biden is the less antagonistic president, he is still is part of the same swamp. Let's not forget his cognitive issues...
This reads like an out-and-out GOP campaign ad. You have used exactly the terminology that Trump uses, word for word, in his baseless and disproven attacks on Biden. I've bolded the most obvious false claims. There is no proof of any of these (except for Biden being "part of the swamp", if you think that's an appropriate way to describe someone who has dedicated nearly half a century to public service. Of course, every GOP senator, every GOP representative is also "part of the swamp").

Case in point, the claims arising from "Hunter Biden's emails". The claim is that Hunter dropped his Mac laptop and an external hard drive off in a store in Wilmington, Delaware, for repair of some problem -- despite the fact that he lives across the country in LA. The store owner states that the man who dropped the laptop off was Hunter Biden -- despite being legally blind and admitting that he could not identify him. (The man supposedly told the store owner that he was Hunter Biden.) Oddly, the man never returned to collect the equipment. The "emails" are vague and non-committal. The store owner contacted several congressmen about the contents of the laptop, who did nothing. Then he contacted the FBI, who seized the laptop and took no action whatsoever.

So far, a huge nothing burger. Then, "somehow", Rudy Giuliani got to hear about the laptop and was given a copy of the files on it. Giuliani has been proven to coordinate with a Russian disinformation campaign aimed at discrediting Joe Biden, and doesn't deny this contact. Steve Bannon got involved, trying to hawk the "bombshell" story around the media, none of which -- including FOX News -- would publish it as they did not find the source credible. Eventually, Rupert Murdoch's NY Post published it. But even then, the author of the story refused to put his name to it, and follow-up stories were co-written by a former producer of Sean Hannity's show on FOX News.

All in all, a very clear, albeit very amateurish, hit job by Giuliani and Bannon, with absolutely no substance. The story was treated as a joke by all the reputable media and has been comprehensively discredited. Yet those with a resolutely blinkered view of politics manage to believe and amplify this pack of lies. Your choice of terminology, phrases lifted directly from Trump, demonstrates your bias very clearly and, shall we say, "calls into question" your claim not to be a Trump fan.
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Old 23.10.2020, 08:24
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Which is exactly what you just did yourself. Looks like you prefer an easy life.
Altough I do prefer an easy life, I don't I don't get why I did the same. In what premade boxes did I put anyone?
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Then, "somehow", Rudy Giuliani got to hear about the laptop.
Rudi was also pictured holding up the offending LG laptop to prove it was real.

Steve Jobs is coming down from heaven to explain how a Mac can evolve into an LG laptop.
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Has anyone watched the final confrontation? I would have been interested if it was at a reasonable hour (for us).
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Has anyone watched the final confrontation? I would have been interested if it was at a reasonable hour (for us).
No, just read some newspaper reports.

Apparently, Trump still failed to lay out his agenda for his second term which is probably some kind of Freudian slip that demonstrates he does not believe he will achieve that.
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Has anyone watched the final confrontation?
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Looks like he can't please you no matter how hard he tries, marton.
During Trump's debate last night with Biden he said "We are rounding the corner. It's going away,".
In the real world, yesterday saw over 76,000 new COVID-19 - the highest daily number ever in the US. Daily US deaths are also now well over a thousand.

To coin a phrase; facts trump opinions.
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During Trump's debate last night with Biden he said "We are rounding the corner. It's going away,".
In the real world, yesterday saw over 76,000 new COVID-19 - the highest daily number ever in the US. Daily US deaths are also now well over a thousand.

To coin a phrase; facts trump opinions.
It's truly mind-blowing that anyone would even believe a word that he says. He's already admittedly lied (on camera, with a straight face) about the threat of the virus. "No big deal." "Will just go away like a miracle."

How many lies does it take for people to collectively wake up and admit that their perceptions are being manipulated?
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Has anyone watched the final confrontation? I would have been interested if it was at a reasonable hour (for us).
Trump killed it.

"It's all talk but no action with these politicians," Trump said. "Why didn't you get it done? You had eight years to get it done."
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