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Old 26.10.2020, 21:42
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Somehow I don't think he likes women, unless ...


https://fb.watch/1mG6b5fDxl/
Yup. All those “nasty women”.
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I agree with you on this, but the more important fact is he owns billions to foreign banks, the collateral of these debts are assets with low liquidity and it's very unclear how much liquidity he has access to. This could and probably would, lead to a situation in which he'll be scrambling for cash and playing hardball with creditors. Obviously, his position as US President makes this much more likely and thus, the conflict of interest.
Going by your post it's less than one billion. Not billions.

Getting refinancing shouldn't be a problem if the buildings are mortgaged for 30-40% only, as indicated by his estimated wealth. If, and assuming cashflows are Ok, value holds up, etc. Even more so as half the credit appears to validated by a (presumably) trustworthy independent entity.

That said, it doesn't look like he's been letting his debt towards Deutsche, and the potential conflict of interests that undoubtedly creates, influence his politics. Otherwise he couldn't have criticized NATO the way he did, his main target there was undoubtedly Germany.
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

Paul Krugman, writing in the NYTs yesterday (26 October):
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Old 27.10.2020, 09:22
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That said, it doesn't look like he's been letting his debt towards Deutsche, and the potential conflict of interests that undoubtedly creates, influence his politics. Otherwise he couldn't have criticized NATO the way he did, his main target there was undoubtedly Germany.
Deutsche Bank is a public company, it's not owned by the German government. The fact that Trump criticizes Germany is not a valid litmus test re how he'll treat Deutsche separately. The overall problem is that right now we are merely hypothesizing. However, the fact that such a massive conflict of interest could be created is a worrying sign even with the most careful and transparent Presidents. With someone like Trump, who thrives on reality distortion and opaqueness, this is truly a red sign for me. But I'm no a US voter, so the point is mute
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Old 27.10.2020, 09:38
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Paul Krugman, writing in the NYTs yesterday (26 October):
Swap in a handful of European countries, or Latin American countries with an equivalent population and the results would be very much the same.

Credit to the Dems/Media at how well they've managed to politicise this issue.
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I am beginning to notice repeated patterns of people doing that here lately -- completely misinterpreting someone and then that leads to an ongoing debate and further confusions. It's extremely annoying and frustrating. I have Urs Max blocked for a reason, because I find him to be irrational and impossible to deal with because of it (as yet once again demonstrated), so it's quite unfortunate that even though I have blocked him, he is still clearly capable of completely misinterpreting me and "putting words in my mouth," as the saying goes. Again, it's annoying and frustrating.[/B]
This is called trolling and they are called trolls. I'll give you an example. You can say here "The weather is so beautiful today but I'm gonna stay inside because I have so much work to do" and you'll get a few people here saying "You often say here the weather is horrible and you can't get anything done because of it." I mean...WTF? No, seriously, it's like throwing your thoughts into a vacuum. I don't know why they're doing it (I can only guess) but it's getting way too old. And silly.
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Old 27.10.2020, 09:45
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This is called trolling and they are called trolls. I'll give you an example. You can say here "The weather is so beautiful today but I'm gonna stay inside because I have so much work to do" and you'll get a few people here saying "You often say here the weather is horrible and you can't get anything done because of it." I mean...WTF? No, seriously, it's like throwing your thoughts into a vacuum. I don't know why they're doing it (I can only guess) but it's getting way too old. And silly.
That's fairly ironic, because in my view, the post you're replying to is quite clearly "trolling". You can tell because it begins "I have Urs Max blocked, but..."
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Swap in a handful of European countries, or Latin American countries with an equivalent population and the results would be very much the same.

Credit to the Dems/Media at how well they've managed to politicise this issue.
Sounds very much like a troll. People dying to support democratic politicians. Krugman is an economist.
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Old 27.10.2020, 09:55
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Re: Trump or Biden .Who you got?

As an outsider what is clear for me is that Democrats and Republicans both demonstrate traits that cult members display. On one side you have Trump who is maybe anything from slightly crazy to batshit crazy, then we have Biden who literally is crazy, guy is not medically right in his head

Even if Trump had been the best president, the MSM would not have given him a break. The partisan behaviour from both sides is childish. Biden wants to beat "George" and the MSM went full drive to make excuses for him.

For the sake of the USA, I hope that the deep state is truly in charge and all the rest is just drama to keep cult member occupied

Meanwhile, China is busy squeezing everyone's nuts
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Old 27.10.2020, 10:11
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As an outsider what is clear for me is that Democrats and Republicans both demonstrate traits that cult members display. On one side you have Trump who is maybe anything from slightly crazy to batshit crazy, then we have Biden who literally is crazy, guy is not medically right in his head

Even if Trump had been the best president, the MSM would not have given him a break. The partisan behaviour from both sides is childish. Biden wants to beat "George" and the MSM went full drive to make excuses for him.

For the sake of the USA, I hope that the deep state is truly in charge and all the rest is just drama to keep cult member occupied

Meanwhile, China is busy squeezing everyone's nuts
That's more or less my assessment of the situation. I think Joe Biden is the preferential winner just, but only because Donald Trump is so confrontation and combative (tbf largely as a result of his treatment by the press).

Joe Biden will likely win thanks to Covid, he won't be able to stop Covid or affect any serious change to the current trend. Like everyone the US will need at strong economic recovery once this is over, and there I think Donald Trump's policies would be better suited than Joe Biden's.
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Old 27.10.2020, 10:20
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...Donald Trump is so confrontation and combative (tbf largely as a result of his treatment by the press)...
I think he was like this before but his soapbox was not as significant.
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That's more or less my assessment of the situation. I think Joe Biden is the preferential winner just, but only because Donald Trump is so confrontation and combative (tbf largely as a result of his treatment by the press).

Joe Biden will likely win thanks to Covid, he won't be able to stop Covid or affect any serious change to the current trend. Like everyone the US will need at strong economic recovery once this is over, and there I think Donald Trump's policies would be better suited than Joe Biden's.
Other than yammering about the stock market, which benefits 401k accounts, a bit, what has he done. The Rich get richer and manufacturing is a joke. His advisers - Kudlow and Mnuchin - meh.

And no, you cannot blame Trump‘s behavior on the media. He was like that before. Pretty much the biggest snowflake of them all.
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Old 27.10.2020, 10:52
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Other than yammering about the stock market, which benefits 401k accounts, a bit, what has he done. The Rich get richer and manufacturing is a joke. His advisers - Kudlow and Mnuchin - meh.

And no, you cannot blame Trump‘s behavior on the media. He was like that before. Pretty much the biggest snowflake of them all.
Donald Trump has his portion of the blame sure, however so do the media. He never got his honeymoon period as virtually every new leader does because the press never really could accept that he won in the first place. From the very beginning on the most part they weren't objective and looked for anything, no matter how small, they could go after him over.
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Old 27.10.2020, 11:08
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He never got his honeymoon period as virtually every new leader does because the press never really could accept that he won in the first place.
Which "press" are you referring to? Fox hasn't really ended the honeymoon for 4 years now and The New York Post is more than happy to serve as a platform for spreading whatever conspiracy theory he comes up with. It's true that CNN has been everything but objective, but in the end it doesn't matter much.

On a related note, he has been able to change the political media game quite substantially by creating a media himself: his Twitter account has stolen quite a lot of the airtime from traditional media and people (both fans and anti-fans) have flocked there. Quite of a lot of the traditional media outlets have resorted to re-publishing his tweets and "analyzing" them to stay relevant. Which, of course, makes them even more banal and irrelevant.
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Old 27.10.2020, 12:29
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Which "press" are you referring to? Fox hasn't really ended the honeymoon for 4 years now and The New York Post is more than happy to serve as a platform for spreading whatever conspiracy theory he comes up with. It's true that CNN has been everything but objective, but in the end it doesn't matter much.

On a related note, he has been able to change the political media game quite substantially by creating a media himself: his Twitter account has stolen quite a lot of the airtime from traditional media and people (both fans and anti-fans) have flocked there. Quite of a lot of the traditional media outlets have resorted to re-publishing his tweets and "analyzing" them to stay relevant. Which, of course, makes them even more banal and irrelevant.
I'm referring to the once fairly reliable sources for news like CNN and the New York Times who within very short space of time have managed to lose almost any shred of credibility. Fox News is what it is and has been for the past 20 years. It's the rest of them that just sank to Fox's level, it's almost as if Donald Trump laid the accusation at them and they duly obliged in becoming gutter press.
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Old 27.10.2020, 13:57
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I'm referring to the once fairly reliable sources for news like CNN and the New York Times who within very short space of time have managed to lose almost any shred of credibility. Fox News is what it is and has been for the past 20 years. It's the rest of them that just sank to Fox's level, it's almost as if Donald Trump laid the accusation at them and they duly obliged in becoming gutter press.
More fact-free claims, this time about CNN and the New York Times.

Sadly Trump has won this propaganda war, even normally sensible people believe the claims against the media. Now the media cannot win; when they reject nonsense stories about the Bidens they are also accused of bias.
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Old 27.10.2020, 15:39
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It's the rest of them that just sank to Fox's level.
So basically, what you're saying is, it's a level-playing field then? So where's the problem?

I agree that CNN has lost a lot of credibility, so has the BBC, their somewhat biased coverage on both Trump and Covid has left them permanently scarred, but I don't think that Trump has suffered at all from this. The readership is now strictly along party lines. Btw, I absolutely hate this new stupid website design trend in which videos start automatically without me even wanting to. And Chrome doesn't allow me to disable that nonsense. Both Fox and CNN are guilty of this perversion.

Btw, the only traditional media I still read, and pay for, is the Financial Times. They are quite objective and try to cover all aspects. I read an article last week titled (something like) the case for re-electing Trump. They didn't stand behind him, far from it, but they tried to point to the examples in which he has been consistent with election promises and delivered on them. Something that CNN would rather commit mass suicide rather than publish.
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So basically, what you're saying is, it's a level-playing field then? So where's the problem?

I agree that CNN has lost a lot of credibility, so has the BBC, their somewhat biased coverage on both Trump and Covid has left them permanently scarred, but I don't think that Trump has suffered at all from this. The readership is now strictly along party lines. Btw, I absolutely hate this new stupid website design trend in which videos start automatically without me even wanting to. And Chrome doesn't allow me to disable that nonsense. Both Fox and CNN are guilty of this perversion.

Btw, the only traditional media I still read, and pay for, is the Financial Times. They are quite objective and try to cover all aspects. I read an article last week titled (something like) the case for re-electing Trump. They didn't stand behind him, far from it, but they tried to point to the examples in which he has been consistent with election promises and delivered on them. Something that CNN would rather commit mass suicide rather than publish.
Amazing how people invent their own reasons to claim the media are biased.
CNN tracking Trump's promises.
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I can't wait until this f'ing election is over so then at least I will know if it's time to start ignoring US politics for the next four years.

There is no way I'm going to spend another four years paying attention to Trump and this shit show that he's turned the presidency into. I think I'd rather lose both my kidneys.
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Florida.

This is not a great trend for Biden, particularly as this is a state that will report results early and might give Trump an opportunity to declare himself re-elected while many states will still be counting for days.

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