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I love all the angst over who might become President yet no one seems to care who may control Congress which is a much more relevant point atm I think. If Biden gets in and Republicans control both houses he ain't going to get much done no matter what he promised in his campaigning. Same if the situation is reversed.
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Basically, it is about voting for the least bad, not the best.

In the event of a Biden win then hopefully it will not turn out to have been a case of "better the devil you know".

Interesting for me is that there have been over 70 million votes already cast, around half the number who voted in 2016, 138,847,000 (including all candidates).

Many people say this indicates there will be a larger than usual voter turnout (55.5% last time). If so then who are these extra voters?
People, who like what Trump has done so much that they vote this time but not in 2016?
Or people who hate Trump so much .........?

I have not seen any analysis of who those extra voters might be.
I can only speak for myself, but I actually really like Biden. I don't view him as being "the lesser of two evils." Yes, he is old. But I think his heart and mind are in the right place.

I know some people voted from Trump in 2016 not because they liked Trump but because they viewed him as the lesser of two evils, compared to Hillary.

Also, I know that a lot of people didn't vote in 2016 because they thought that Hillary was going to win it by a landslide anyways. So maybe some of what we're seeing now are votes from people who realized the mistake they had made by not voting in 2016. We can only hope.
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Old 28.10.2020, 11:56
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I can only speak for myself, but I actually really like Biden. I don't view him as being "the lesser of two evils." Yes, he is old. But I think his heart and mind are in the right place.

I know some people voted from Trump in 2016 not because they liked Trump but because they viewed him as the lesser of two evils, compared to Hillary.

Also, I know that a lot of people didn't vote in 2016 because they thought that Hillary was going to win it by a landslide anyways. So maybe some of what we're seeing now are votes from people who realized the mistake they had made by not voting in 2016. We can only hope.
OK, I should have been clearer.

For me, they are both too old to be President. It is a nutty situation where people are forced to retire at 65 but it is OK for politicians to soldier on for ever.
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OK, I should have been clearer.

For me, they are both too old to be President. It is a nutty situation where people are forced to retire at 65 but it is OK for politicians to soldier on for ever.
Yeah, it is odd, isn't it?
Same for Supreme Court Justices, really. It seems like the whole system there is somehow designed to encourage US politics to be dominated by older generations. So then you end up with a society that evolves but a lot of politicians whose ideologies don't reflect that evolution.
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Yeah, it is odd, isn't it?
Same for Supreme Court Justices, really. It seems like the whole system there is somehow designed to encourage US politics to be dominated by older generations. So then you end up with a society that evolves but a lot of politicians whose ideologies don't reflect that evolution.
A good example of being out of touch
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Made me laugh, but I imagine most women want to get back to work themselves. 47% of the workforce in the US are women.
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Old 28.10.2020, 13:35
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I love all the angst over who might become President yet no one seems to care who may control Congress which is a much more relevant point atm I think. If Biden gets in and Republicans control both houses he ain't going to get much done no matter what he promised in his campaigning. Same if the situation is reversed.
That’s not strictly true. Some of us know that’s key.
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I love all the angst over who might become President yet no one seems to care who may control Congress which is a much more relevant point atm I think. If Biden gets in and Republicans control both houses he ain't going to get much done no matter what he promised in his campaigning. Same if the situation is reversed.
We do care, believe me.

Not only the senate and congress, but all the down ballot races are getting more attention this year than I've ever seen in my voting lifetime. Especially the judgeships.

The role Mitch McConnell and his cabal have played in enabling this lunacy is crystal clear. The movement to flip the senate is there, but it's an uphill slog. Lindsay Graham is in an unexpectedly tight race, Susan Collins might lose, Martha McSally as well. But unfortunately McConnell is nigh on invincible in Kentucky.
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It is a nutty situation where people are forced to retire at 65 but it is OK for politicians to soldier on for ever.
I don’t believe there is mandatory retirement at 65 in the US. That is outside a few specific sectors. Pilots for example, can no longer command an aircraft after 65, but they can be the first officer.
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We do care, believe me.

Not only the senate and congress, but all the down ballot races are getting more attention this year than I've ever seen in my voting lifetime. Especially the judgeships.

The role Mitch McConnell and his cabal have played in enabling this lunacy is crystal clear. The movement to flip the senate is there, but it's an uphill slog. Lindsay Graham is in an unexpectedly tight race, Susan Collins might lose, Martha McSally as well. But unfortunately McConnell is nigh on invincible in Kentucky.
There is nobody who deserves to win more than Susan Collins. Someone who has always tried to bridge the chasm and behave in a constructive manner.

Here's hoping that Biden wins and we have an R senate. No Trump, no socialism. Everyone wins.
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Old 28.10.2020, 13:58
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There is nobody who deserves to win more than Susan Collins. Someone who has always tried to bridge the chasm and behave in a constructive manner.

Here's hoping that Biden wins and we have an R senate. No Trump, no socialism. Everyone wins.
Well, I'm afraid we differ on that opinion. With an R senate, the only people who win are Corporations and the rich. Not the average person. An R senate with McConnell at the helm is going to do nothing. Again. Anyway, Americans don't do socialism. They have social programs - Medicare, social security for example, which even the biggest Republicans are in favour of. The whole "socialism" thing is a smokescreen to scare people and distract.

Do you believe in Trickle down economics? Just curious.

Mitch is looking pretty bad these days - big bruises on his hands and one on his face - who knows what. Maybe it's time for him to retire. Yeah, like that's going to happen.

If you were a US citizen and from Maine, then I'm sure Susan Collins would be glad of your vote. I gather she's vulnerable. The problem with her is that she gives the appearance of bipartisanism, but when push comes to shove, she votes with the Rs. A bit too much of a tease, or a wimp, imho.
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There is nobody who deserves to win more than Susan Collins. Someone who has always tried to bridge the chasm and behave in a constructive manner.

Here's hoping that Biden wins and we have an R senate. No Trump, no socialism. Everyone wins.
Why do think that if Biden wins there would be socialism? Was there socialism under Obama? What exactly has Biden said to express that he is a socialist?

He even recently commented that he "beat the socialist" in regard to Bernie Sanders.
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Well, I'm afraid we differ on that opinion. With an R senate, the only people who win are Corporations and the rich. Not the average person. An R senate with McConnell at the helm is going to do nothing. Again. Anyway, Americans don't do socialism. They have social programs - Medicare, social security for example, which even the biggest Republicans are in favour of. The whole "socialism" thing is a smokescreen to scare people and distract.

Do you believe in Trickle down economics? Just curious.

Mitch is looking pretty bad these days - big bruises on his hands and one on his face - who knows what. Maybe it's time for him to retire. Yeah, like that's going to happen.

If you were a US citizen and from Maine, then I'm sure Susan Collins would be glad of your vote. I gather she's vulnerable. The problem with her is that she gives the appearance of bipartisanism, but when push comes to shove, she votes with the Rs. A bit too much of a tease, or a wimp, imho.
She voted with the Democrats on the recent Supreme Court decision. There's plenty of other examples.
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Why do think that if Biden wins there would be socialism? Was there socialism under Obama? What exactly has Biden said to express that he is a socialist?

He even recently commented that he "beat the socialist" in regard to Bernie Sanders.
Possibly not this time but its the direction of travel of the democratic party. But with an R senate there definitely would not be. If you want low taxes, but think Trump is a monster then its the logical choice.

If god forbid - Trump wins, I would be quite amenable to a D senate, as the social conservative views of the R's horrify me.
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Possibly not. But with an R senate there definitely would not be. If you want low taxes, but think Trump is a monster then its the logical choice.
No, but there might be abortion made illegal and gays not being allowed to marry, etc., but I guess that's so much better than poor families having access to healthcare.
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No, but there might be abortion made illegal and gays not being allowed to marry, etc., but I guess that's so much better than poor families having access to healthcare.
Not with a D president though I imagine...
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Not with a D president though I imagine...
Unfortunately SCOTUS will likely be the deciding factor on these, not any elected official. And with Coney Barrett now installed, overturning Roe v Wade (which would hand the issue back to the States) and killing the ACA (hearings on a case already scheduled for a week after the election) are pretty much a given.

Marriage equality is also high up on the Federalist check list, so I expect to see some sort of case brought to the court in the near future. But that is a thornier legal matter, as the question arises: If Obergefell v Hodges is revisited in some way, what happens to current same sex marriages?
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Possibly not this time but its the direction of travel of the democratic party. But with an R senate there definitely would not be. If you want low taxes, but think Trump is a monster then its the logical choice.

If god forbid - Trump wins, I would be quite amenable to a D senate, as the social conservative views of the R's horrify me.
They would have to travel a long road to get to socialism.
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I don’t believe there is mandatory retirement at 65 in the US. That is outside a few specific sectors. Pilots for example, can no longer command an aircraft after 65, but they can be the first officer.
Thanks, I did not know the US Congress outlawed mandatory retirement in the US at any age.
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Thanks, I did not know the US Congress outlawed mandatory retirement in the US at any age.
Lots of people have to work after 65....good thing they can!
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Extraordinary new ABC News/Washington Post poll yesterday showing Biden 17 points ahead of Trump in Wisconsin.
It found Biden supported by 57 percent of likely voters, far ahead of the president's 40 percent. The former vice president has gained 5 percentage points since the last ABC/Washington Post poll in mid-September while the president lost 6 points.

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It also showed Biden has a 7-point lead over President Trump in the crucial swing state of Michigan

Hard to believe such a big change.
A survey from the Elections Research Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison released Monday showed Biden leading by 9 points in Wisconsin, 53-44, and leading Trump by 10 points, 52 to 42 percent, in Michigan
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