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I agree with this notion - it would be too simple to just attribute mortality to one presidential decision, more so in places like US or CH, which historically thrive on federalism. It's complex, no matter of the desire (of media, mainly) to find one scapegoat to blame it on.
Indeed. But it is not one decision....it is an ongoing pattern. In the US it is a lack of leadership. On one hand minimizing the truth, turning a health issue into a political issue and not listening to some of the best research and clinical expertise in.the.world. And now, Trump‘s favored expert is Scott Atlas, with no expertise in infectious disease - he just flatters his ego. And of course prevarication ....“we‘ve turned the corner“.

The other part of this is the same in CH to some extent and that is passing responsibility onto the states/Kantons. But really, in an issue like this, there should be an overarching responsibility for public health, imho. Perhaps federalism is not the best tool for dealing with a public health crisis.

And people are tired. If they could have just built on their earlier successes, it would be so much better, and yes, learn from countries in the East who have dealt with this better.
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Perhaps federalism is not the best tool for dealing with a public health crisis.
It looks like it is the only logical one for those who previously accused the strong leadership of autocracy, on any possible occasion. Doesn't give much leaway after that in democratic places. Maybe next time will be better.
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It looks like it is the only logical one for those who previously accused the strong leadership of autocracy, on any possible occasion. Doesn't give much leaway after that in democratic places. Maybe next time will be better.
I see your point, but perhaps people will learn to think beyond their individual sandboxes.
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That "homework" was recovered... The question is: Why did the media (or most media) not cover this story?
I don't know and I had no idea the homework has been recovered tbh, I have to take your word for it. I think we're in agreement if I'll tell you I can't wait for these elections to be over, if only for the space they occupy on EF. For friends and relatives that live there it won't make too much of a difference..whoever wins, I think. They're white "middle class" living in predominantly white suburbs. They can count their blessings.

To tell you the truth I'm very disappointed by the Republicans and the candidate they chose to represent them for all these years, more so than by the Democrats. I'm disappointed with the right-wing parties in general. As a foreigner in this country I have learned to acknowledge the "us vs. them" mentality and have a much, much better understanding of the problems minorities encounter (in general) and I don't think Trump has done anything to bring about social peace. Anyways, as you also said before - this won't be over no matter who wins. I think most people want to see sanity (from both sides) restored, want to see unity and civility. You know it very well American politics influence a lot of the world, if you go down we too go down.
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How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/securit...eluge-n1245387

"One month before a purported leak of files from Hunter Biden's laptop, a fake "intelligence" document about him went viral on the right-wing internet, asserting an elaborate conspiracy theory involving former Vice President Joe Biden's son and business in China.

The document, a 64-page composition that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump, appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm" called Typhoon Investigations, according to researchers and public documents.

The author of the document, a self-identified Swiss security analyst named Martin Aspen, is a fabricated identity, according to analysis by disinformation researchers, who also concluded that Aspen's profile picture was created with an artificial intelligence face generator. The intelligence firm that Aspen lists as his previous employer said that no one by that name had ever worked for the company and that no one by that name lives in Switzerland, according to public records and social media searches." ..........
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You know it very well American politics influence a lot of the world, if you go down we too go down.
Why would our political standards go down in Switzerland if/when US politics go down? I don't feel that at all.
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There was a Swiss security analyst named Martin Aspen in LinkedIn but that profile is now deleted.
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Old 31.10.2020, 15:18
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I agree with this notion - it would be too simple to just attribute mortality to one presidential decision, more so in places like US or CH, which historically thrive on federalism. It's complex, no matter of the desire (of media, mainly) to find one scapegoat to blame it on.
A President who denies a pandemic, claims "we have turned the corner" and does very little to tackle the problem. Who does not even set examples of mask wearing and social distancing but contrariwise holds rallies with thousands against his own Public Health department advice is, of course, completely blameless.
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That "homework" was recovered... The question is: Why did the media (or most media) not cover this story?
Good, so where is it now?
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Why would our political standards go down in Switzerland if/when US politics go down? I don't feel that at all.
I thought greenmount was referring to general living standards, financial stability, feeling of security, morality, etc., not to political standards. As the (adapted) saying goes, when America sneezes, the world catches a cold. (Originally it was held that "when France sneezes, Europe catches a cold".)
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Why would our political standards go down in Switzerland if/when US politics go down? I don't feel that at all.
Maybe you don't have Netflix.

I don't.
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I thought greenmount was referring to general living standards, financial stability, feeling of security, morality, etc., not to political standards. As the (adapted) saying goes, when America sneezes, the world catches a cold. (Originally it was held that "when France sneezes, Europe catches a cold".)
Well, I don't share that feeling in any shape or form. I think that given the current administration's sense of morality, the effect it has had in Europe is 0. Feeling of security...the same. Financial stability sure, as much as any other very large economy. I just don't think that the US is compass of much anything to us, non-Americans.

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Oh, yeah, we do. My better half watches quite a bit of TV. We have Netflix, Amazon Prime AND Disney+ (granted, that last one I signed up for yesterday, to start watching "The Mandalorian"'s Season 2.
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Well, I don't share that feeling in any shape or form. I think that given the current administration's sense of morality, the effect it has had in Europe is 0. Feeling of security...the same. Financial stability sure, as much as any other very large economy. I just don't think that the US is compass of much anything to us, non-Americans.



Oh, yeah, we do. My better half watches quite a bit of TV. We have Netflix, Amazon Prime AND Disney+ (granted, that last one I signed up for yesterday, to start watching "The Mandalorian"'s Season 2.
I feel that if you live on the internet, CNN and Netflix, you got to feel that nothing is more important than the US.

I wish I had time for TV but when I do watch local stuff, it is fab. A small cantonal TV or romandie news program/reportage like Radar or Infrarouge, PaJu are really high quality. Old school journalism, it's crazy smart and light, while data packed, in a direct way. And then we put some movie on....and we be like...what's this US culture and life-style they export so proudly
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Things have become quiet on the political front in many states right now. Presently and ultimately, the focus is on the Midwest states, where the decision will undeniably be made.
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I feel that if you live on the internet, CNN and Netflix, you got to feel that nothing is more important than the US.
Probably true. I do mix it up: for news I read CNN, BBC, and NZZ. Some days I may check the Tages Anzeiger or a the local free paper that they drop in my mailbox every now and then. Before COVID hit I'd listen to the news on SRF2 during my commute (mostly because they speak German instead of dialect, so I understand 100% of what I hear, instead of single-digit % ), or check some of the free papers lying around on the train. Not so much US news, outside of MAJOR events.
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Probably true. I do mix it up: for news I read CNN, BBC, and NZZ. Some days I may check the Tages Anzeiger or a the local free paper that they drop in my mailbox every now and then. Before COVID hit I'd listen to the news on SRF2 during my commute (mostly because they speak German instead of dialect, so I understand 100% of what I hear, instead of single-digit % ), or check some of the free papers lying around on the train. Not so much US news, outside of MAJOR events.
I'd listen to the radio on my way to work if I didn't have so much of symphonic homework. Gotta squeeze it in somewhere. I prefer local TV, the presenters are also so matter of fact, not so over the top drama as in the US.

I think the way the American politics is done is partially media's responsibility, they offer to entertain and outrage instead of informing, in the same way Netflix entertains. I think the consumers want that. If they didn't, there is no way that it would sell.
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Maybe you don't have Netflix.

I don't.
What has Netflix to do with anything, MusicChick? Your impertinence is astonishing. Please, stop responding on my behalf or making assumptions about what other people watch or don't watch. Actually I can't figure out what were you trying to say there, but you developed a theory about media and internet that has nothing to do with me, maybe with you?
Yes, we have Netflix like everyone else here, probably. I don't see what has Netflix to do with what I've written. Or American politics as a matter of fact. Netflix is entertainment, movies, series, documentaries, cartoons, what you wish. I wish I had more time for that, honestly. Or not, it can get addictive. Whoever watched a series on Netflix knows what I'm talking about . I prefer to go for a walk.

I don't watch CNN, if you think everybody does you're totally wrong. I don't get my news from there. I read about what's happening in the world from various sources, and have my own opinions.

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Well, I don't share that feeling in any shape or form. I think that given the current administration's sense of morality, the effect it has had in Europe is 0. Feeling of security...the same. Financial stability sure, as much as any other very large economy. I just don't think that the US is compass of much anything to us, non-Americans.
Then you're very wrong in my opinion, but maybe because you don't know how important American politics still is in some parts of the old continent. We depend on NATO, we depend on good relations among member states. To be clear, I don't necessarily see parallels between what's happening there and here, thanks goodness for that, but this model, this political climate of division and polarising and fake news, even some themes (see what's happening in Poland right now) is obviously applied in some other places too. Sure, I don't expect everyone else to follow the same news and ideas. I also think that when America coughs Europe catches a cold. I wish I had more trust in European Union, but I don't.
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