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Probably true. I do mix it up: for news I read CNN, BBC, and NZZ. Some days I may check the Tages Anzeiger or a the local free paper that they drop in my mailbox every now and then. Before COVID hit I'd listen to the news on SRF2 during my commute (mostly because they speak German instead of dialect, so I understand 100% of what I hear, instead of single-digit % ), or check some of the free papers lying around on the train. Not so much US news, outside of MAJOR events.
I think you watch CNN more than me in this case...! Nothing wrong with CNN probably, I just don't see why should I watch it here in CH.
We watch SRF mostly to be informed about local stuff, and yes you're right, Swiss news channels aren't big on USA news. Tages Anzeiger is quality journalism, I agree wholeheartedly on that. We're more interested in Zurichsee-Zeitung though because they have a lot of practical info that not even the Swiss we know are always aware of it. Analyses on international politics you can get from various sources, I can mention a few if you're interested. Apparently Netflix has some documentaries on display, but nah, not really interested in everything that's there. There are a few movies I always wanted to see, hope to do it when I get the chance.

Netflix must have been a life-saver for many people during pandemic, I wouldn't look down at it, but can do only that much.

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I feel that if you live on the internet, CNN and Netflix, you got to feel that nothing is more important than the US.

I wish I had time for TV but when I do watch local stuff, it is fab. A small cantonal TV or romandie news program/reportage like Radar or Infrarouge, PaJu are really high quality. Old school journalism, it's crazy smart and light, while data packed, in a direct way. And then we put some movie on....and we be like...what's this US culture and life-style they export so proudly
Coming from someone who's on the Trump related threads more often than most of us here and who's actually moderating an internet forum where a significant part of the membership is American? Hillarious.

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Old 01.11.2020, 10:34
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Then you're very wrong in my opinion, but maybe because you don't know how important American politics still is in some parts of the old continent.
Absolutely true, I don't know how important it is. I shared my sentiment, and I don't claim to know for a fact.

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We depend on NATO, we depend on good relations among member states.
What do you mean with "we depend on NATO" ? NATO is, as far as I know, a military alliance (mostly between Europe and the US). One could say that there were few armed conflicts in Europe since 1945, except for the Balkans, where NATO proved fairly effective, so it's kind of working. But "depend", I find a bit too much.

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To be clear, I don't necessarily see parallels between what's happening there and here, thanks goodness for that, but this model, this political climate of division and polarising and fake news, even some themes (see what's happening in Poland right now) is obviously applied in some other places too.
You don't necessarily see parallels, but you do se a parallel in Poland. I think we see a similar situation in both countries at roughly the same time, and we immediately assume a degree of causation, because that's how human mind works. Our brain attemps to explain things. But far from cause, I see a clear trend in Poland. Just look at the % of votes the Law and Justice party has received in the latest elections, since it was founded in 2001:

2001: 9.5%
2005: 27.0%
2007: 32.1%
2011: 29.9%
2015: 37.6%
2019: 43.6% (this big jump relates to the coallition with "United Poland" and the "Agreement").

So I don't see the polarization in the US influencing the growth of the conservative right in Poland, but a continuation of a trend that started 20 years ago. Do you think there is a clear and strong correlation between politics in the US and politics in Europe?

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I just don't see why should I watch it here in CH.
I guess it's more habit than anything else. I felt that, pre-Trump, CNN was a fairly good source of US and world news, all in one place. In the last few years it's put way too much focus on Trump...I guess it sells, and that's the business they're in, selling news. But if you ignore that, they still provide a decent window into world news.
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Old 01.11.2020, 10:37
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Maybe you don't have Netflix.

I don't.
We don't either.

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This thread is entertaining enough, even for us who drop by every now and then.

Caleb - thanks for the Polish numbers. US seems to me that they are trying to invest in their own affairs, Poland is doing the same umbelical chord cutting I think, to detach. Hence the political response. I don't think they copy a yank trend, but that even in the US there is this desire for sovereignty and to first start fixing what went wrong home. I may be wrong of course but this climate seems to be all over the world. Be it Hong Kong, Ukraine, etc.
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Absolutely true, I don't know how important it is. I shared my sentiment, and I don't claim to know for a fact.
Haha, good, then we're clear on that. I do know it for a fact.

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What do you mean with "we depend on NATO" ? NATO is, as far as I know, a military alliance (mostly between Europe and the US). One could say that there were few armed conflicts in Europe since 1945, except for the Balkans, where NATO proved fairly effective, so it's kind of working. But "depend", I find a bit too much.
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I didn't really think of Switzerland, in fact I was a tad surprised you took my post so literally when you shared your sentiment. I agree, "we in Switzerland" are lucky to have a mature and direct democracy, but that's not the case everywhere.

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I guess it's more habit than anything else. I felt that, pre-Trump, CNN was a fairly good source of US and world news, all in one place. In the last few years it's put way too much focus on Trump...I guess it sells, and that's the business they're in, selling news. But if you ignore that, they still provide a decent window into world news.
No judgements here. I just don't feel that CNN is the best source for world news. In all fairness, I don't know if there's any. We're all victims of our biases. CNN is obviously very American oriented, I don't think it covers Europe that much, but I don't think that's their target public either. It might function for some, but if I want more in-depth analyses and coming from journalists who are experts on various areas, I wouldn't look there.

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You don't necessarily see parallels, but you do se a parallel in Poland. I think we see a similar situation in both countries at roughly the same time, and we immediately assume a degree of causation, because that's how human mind works. Our brain attemps to explain things. But far from cause, I see a clear trend in Poland. Just look at the % of votes the Law and Justice party has received in the latest elections, since it was founded in 2001:
You're right. I guess I can say that I do see parallels, and not only in Poland, even though at the time when I wrote that post (it was late and was already tired) I was thinking more of BLM, Metoo etc and concluded we don't have anything near that in Europe. As for being no correlation between the latest developments in the politics of more conservative parties/leaders and Trump phenomenon, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

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Trump tweeted a video of the caravan surrounding the Biden bus with the caption, "I LOVE TEXAS!"

The Biden campaign event was cancelled.
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Seems the forecasts of election day and post-election day violence are not so far off the point
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Old 01.11.2020, 11:10
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We depend on NATO,...
Do not agree. IMO the EU has been far more important than NATO over the last 30-odd years in keeping Europe peaceful.

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Haha, good, then we're clear on that. I do know it for a fact.
As with my comment above, opinion. You certainly do not know it as a fact and more recent opinion polling around the subject has tended to confirm this.
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Then you're very wrong in my opinion, but maybe because you don't know how important American politics still is in some parts of the old continent. We depend on NATO, we depend on good relations among member states. To be clear, I don't necessarily see parallels between what's happening there and here, thanks goodness for that, but this model, this political climate of division and polarising and fake news, even some themes (see what's happening in Poland right now) is obviously applied in some other places too. Sure, I don't expect everyone else to follow the same news and ideas. I also think that when America coughs Europe catches a cold. I wish I had more trust in European Union, but I don't.
NATO is a sham. Erdogan has opened up several aggressive fronts and NATO has sat there on its hands. The EU is no better, allowing Erdogan to spread his hate against two member states.

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Do not agree. IMO the EU has been far more important than NATO over the last 30-odd years in keeping Europe peaceful.


As with my comment above, opinion. You certainly do not know it as a fact and more recent opinion polling around the subject has tended to confirm this.
OK, let's hope you're right. NATO used to be more important for some countries until very recently. I was hoping we can still count on it.

As for the second sentence, I think we were referring to different things. American influence is acknowledged in some places.

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NATO is a sham. Erdogan has opened up several aggressive fronts and NATO has sat there on its hands
It only confirms my fears, or, in other words, your post doesn't contradict anything I've written on the subject so far.
Same for your edit re. EU.

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The EU is no better, allowing Erdogan to spread his hate against two member states.

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Seems the forecasts of election day and post-election day violence are not so far off the point
That is really F***ed up.

You can see a video of it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-iTF2fzWe8

I guess the "Trump train" (as it's called) also caused an accident when two of the vehicles collided into one another while trying to surround the Biden bus and force it off the road.

For Trump to express support over something like this is just truly sickening. If the situation was reversed, and it was Biden supporters trying to run a Trump bus off the road, just imagine what the repercussions would be.

These people have lost their minds.

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Fun podcast from a few days ago.

This week on Battleground, David and Steve are joined by former Republican strategist and media wizard Stuart Stevens and the Ragin’ Cajun himself, James Carville. They take a bird's-eye view of the election which includes but is not limited to: trying to fix the Democrats' attitude problem, evaluating Trump’s electorate woes, and sussing out Southern senate races. Finally, what do you get when two Democrats and two ex-Republicans try to figure out the future of the Republican Party?

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This thread is entertaining enough, even for us who drop by every now and then.
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NATO is a sham. Erdogan has opened up several aggressive fronts and NATO has sat there on its hands. The EU is no better, allowing Erdogan to spread his hate against two member states.
I think the world now realizes that these alliences are primarily economical, they always have been. Whatever narative their marketing sells.
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Well NATO gives the US basically free bases for their Army, Navy and Air Force including access for their Coast Guard and Marines. For the moment their Space Force is absent but don’t hold your breath.

The US could have fought its wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria without Europe but it would have been much more expensive, particularly had military overflights been banned (as Switzerland does). Their Carrier groups would have to return to the US much more often.

I’d be happy if Trump walked away from NATO, he could learn the meaning of Joni Mitchell’s song Big Yellow Taxi.
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone?
They paved paradise, put up a parking lot
(Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop
Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop)
Oh and Trump doesn’t really want other members upping their ‘defence’ spending, he wants them to up their spending on US weapons.
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Oh, yeah, we do. My better half watches quite a bit of TV. We have Netflix, Amazon Prime AND Disney+ (granted, that last one I signed up for yesterday, to start watching "The Mandalorian"'s Season 2.
We also have Disney . But it's like a candy shop and the novelty fades away eventually... Even kids can get bored after a while.
I do get the Netflix current though. I don't get the obsession with Netflix, but that's a different thing. In small doses it can be a good source of entertainment. They have movies in various languages now, I guess it was a very good strategy to include cinematic creations from (almost) all over the world. Smart move.
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Well NATO gives the US basically free bases for their Army, Navy and Air Force including access for their Coast Guard and Marines. For the moment their Space Force is absent but don’t hold your breath.

The US could have fought its wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria without Europe but it would have been much more expensive, particularly had military overflights been banned (as Switzerland does). Their Carrier groups would have to return to the US much more often.

I’d be happy if Trump walked away from NATO, he could learn the meaning of Joni Mitchell’s song Big Yellow Taxi.
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone?
They paved paradise, put up a parking lot
(Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop
Shoo-bop-bop-bop-bop)
Oh and Trump doesn’t really want other members upping their ‘defence’ spending, he wants them to up their spending on US weapons.
I don't think US will leave NATO, but I can see both NATO and EU rebuilding themselves from scratch, maybe reducing the number of members, too.
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That is really F***ed up.

You can see a video of it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-iTF2fzWe8

I guess the "Trump train" (as it's called) also caused an accident when two of the vehicles collided into one another while trying to surround the Biden bus and force it off the road.

For Trump to express support over something like this is just truly sickening. If the situation was reversed, and it was Biden supporters trying to run a Trump bus off the road, just imagine what the repercussions would be.

These people have lost their minds.
What a laughable Pearls-clutching.

As long as no physical harm was done to anyone, I'd say it is tolerable.

The DNC supporters were blocking highways and physically assaulting Americans who tried to make their way to Trump events in 2016. Numerous reporting have been done on these events. It was organized and financed by DNC super-packs and admitted by its leadership on tape during hidden camera investigation.
How quickly we forget.
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What a laughable Pearls-clutching.

As long as no physical harm was done to anyone, I'd say it is tolerable.

The DNC supporters were blocking highways and physically assaulting Americans who tried to make their way to Trump events in 2016. Numerous reporting have been done on these events. It was organized and financed by DNC super-packs and admitted by its leadership on tape during hidden camera investigation.
How quickly we forget.
It is not tolerable, I condemn both sides.
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Never-ending story!

The son of Ukrainian Lev Parnas (an indicted colleague of Rudy Giuliani) offers one more Trump tell-all book. He claims he was in the rooms when all kinds of deals and murky business were discussed

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Interestingly, he makes no claims about the Bidens and any corrupt behaviour.
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