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I mean I can see some reasoning to say ballots need to be received by 3 Nov, but what is the constitutional argument to stop counting after midnight? I cannot see one, and even the court is solidly right, cannot see them buying this.

But yeah, it doesn't look pretty. Florida needs to go blue at 9pm.

That said, the final NBC/WSJ poll had Trump winning 51% of the white vote. If that is anywhere close to reality, he is so done.
Not sure that is right. Florida is an increasingly red state these days. Rep. Governor, 2 Republican senators, voted for Trump. Florida democrats are basically used to losing.

I'm not saying its not winnable for the Dems, but it certainly isn't an absolute must have. I'd say the Pennsylvania is their must win state. Lose Pennsylvania and they are probably going to lose the election.

Florida is an absolute must win for Trump.

A 269-269 is far from impossible if Trump hangs on to everything he won last time around except Wisconsin and Michigan. That'd be "fun"
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Not sure that is right. Florida is an increasingly red state these days. Rep. Governor, 2 Republican senators, voted for Trump. Florida democrats are basically used to losing.

I'm not saying its not winnable for the Dems, but it certainly isn't an absolute must have. I'd say the Pennsylvania is their must win state. Lose Pennsylvania and they are probably going to lose the election.

Florida is an absolute must win for Trump.
My point is more on timing and dynamics. PA will not have a result tomorrow. Florida will. That is my point. If it goes blue, Trump will look (be) beat. If he wins FL, he will claim victory and throw all behind making this a court case.

And calling up the Proud Boys of course.
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My point is more on timing and dynamics. PA will not have a result tomorrow. Florida will. That is my point. If it goes blue, Trump will look (be) beat. If he wins FL, he will claim victory and throw all behind making this a court case.
I see what you mean - but its still plausible he wins Florida and yet loses the election quite comfortably.

Its not hard to imagine him losing all of AZ, PA, MI, WI and getting handily beaten.
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I wonder if any of them had any reservations about admitting support for Hitler 2.0?

In any case, I'm more surpised by how many wokesters move to CH despite it being a decidedly un-woke country.
Godwin's law is an Internet adage asserting that "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1".
That is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread often ends.
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Godwin's law is an Internet adage asserting that "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1".
That is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread often ends.
Afraid there no end to this thread until January at the least...
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Has anyone seen anything about how quickly the mail-in votes are being counted?
To add to what others have said, the rules regarding mail-in votes vary wildly by state. There's no single correct answer. Some states require all ballots to be to the county clerk or polling place by the close of polls on Election Day. Others say all ballots except military and overseas have to meet that criteria. Other states accept mail-in ballots up to a week later so long as the ballot was postmarked on or before Election Day.

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...The recent SCOTUS opinion that changed the rules in Wisconsin midstream, saying ballots must be received by 3 Nov rather than postmarked by 3 Nov as it has always been, could end up a grim harbinger of what is to come...

Whatever happens with the vote count, Trump will declare victory early in the night. And then unleash chaos.

doG I hope I am wrong.
FYI - SCOTUS did not change Wisconsin law. The law already states ballots have to be received by closing of the polls, regardless of when mailed. That includes military and overseas ballots, also regardless of when mailed. It was the Democratic Party that sought to extend the deadline so long as ballots were postmarked by Election Day. SCOTUS ruled that the federal district court had erred in siding with the Democrats.

Wisconsin is one of the states that does not count any votes before Election Day. Pennsylvania also doesn't start counting until the polls open. It's going to take a while to count all those ballots!

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How did that go that time with Florida Blue, then Red, then a litigated mix of purple until the SC decided it was best to call it red and leave it at that. Then when people looked at it afterwards it was actually more blue than red and people still have doubts as to whether it could have been a gory story.
Florida was never officially blue at any stage of the vote counting. Gore was never ahead in any recount, although his counts got very close to Bush's numbers. Of course the media and each campaign did their best to put a spin on it all.

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It's not like there is any urgency, the electoral collage doesn't meet for over a month ...

State laws apply and if the state laws provide that all mail ballots postmarked not later than 3 November are to be counted, then all mail ballots postmarked not later than 3 November need to be counted.

Rich lawyers getting richer ...
Agree. There are various deadlines by which each state has to certify its results. According to the Ballotpedia link above, a few states don't have an official date on the books (speaking of lawyers...). The rest all have dates before when the EC would meet.

I sincerely hope that despite Trump's teams of lawyers, each state's Supreme Court upholds whatever laws are on the books and doesn't reinvent the wheel by stopping vote counting at midnight or some other arbitrary time.

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My point is that w/o Florida, Trump's path is almost over. Florida starts counting mail ballots before election day, so they are likely to have a final count in the evening of the 3rd. Large senior population which is turning away from Trump b/c of the Covid disaster. Polls are close, but I think Biden has a good chance of winning this and then there is hoping this will be over quick.
The media will definitely try to project a winner on election night. However, no state in the nation actually certifies its totals on election night, not even Florida. NYT article here about counting ballots and certifying results:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/u...-election.html

A long, but very good article on the 2000 Florida election here, including interview statements with individuals who were key players:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...istory/614404/
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Afraid there no end to this thread until January at the least...
I was afraid of that.
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So you think it's fine to try to run a bus full of people off the road? It's okay as long as no one actually ends up getting hurt?

Neither is right, in my opinion. And as the saying goes: "Two wrongs don't make a right."

But I don't recall Hillary Clinton condoning and encouraging such attacks, as Trump has done with his tweet about it.
Running off the road narrative is nothing more than a pre-election propaganda for the weak...
I don't believe liberal pearl-clutching when they are cheering on riots and burning of the people's livelihood all around the country...
BTW, I watched the video of so called 'Running off the road incident', it is a bold faced lie, as expected.
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Godwin's law is an Internet adage asserting that "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1".
That is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread often ends.
Only on the topic of Trump, people have ben comparing him to Hitler from day one. But the discussions have contiued nevertheless.
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Running off the road narrative is nothing more than a pre-election propaganda for the weak...
I don't believe liberal pearl-clutching when they are cheering on riots and burning of the people's livelihood all around the country...
BTW, I watched the video of so called 'Running off the road incident', it is a bold faced lie, as expected.
I have never once condoned any of the riots, and I've expressed that here numerous times. So please stop assuming that all liberals condone the riots, because we don't.

What you're doing is using the riots as a means to try to excuse the "Trump train's" behavior and trying to validate your stance by wrongly assuming that all liberals have condoned the riots.

But I guess it's easier to make false assumptions and to accuse all liberals of "pearl clutching" than it is to examine your own faulty logic, right?
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Only on the topic of Trump, people have ben comparing him to Hitler from day one. But the discussions have contiued nevertheless.
Well, it is wasn't EF members who had first noticed the parallels. There is even a book that was written about it.

https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Trump-.../dp/1530288630
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Running off the road narrative is nothing more than a pre-election propaganda for the weak...
I don't believe liberal pearl-clutching when they are cheering on riots and burning of the people's livelihood all around the country...
BTW, I watched the video of so called 'Running off the road incident', it is a bold faced lie, as expected.
Man, I'd hate to see where you get your news from.
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I have never once condoned any of the riots, and I've expressed that here numerous times. So please stop assuming that all liberals condone the riots, because we don't.

What you're doing is using the riots as a means to try to excuse the "Trump train's" behavior and trying to validate your stance by wrongly assuming that all liberals have condoned the riots.

But I guess it's easier to make false assumptions and to accuse all liberals of "pearl clutching" than it is to examine your own faulty logic, right?
Sorry to confuse you, my bad. I was referring to liberals as liberal US media, monotonously condemning anyone who dares to support the Orange Man while calling riots a peaceful protest. Not saying that you are the one doing this.
I do not assume anything about you except that 'Running off the road' is not your personal opinion, you just read it in some liberal online rag and now you are imagining that it is your original conclusion.
As I said before if this is a flag waving and demonstrating then no harm done and nothing to excuse. No cars were set on fire, no graffiti on public buildings no private property destroyed, none got shot or ran over. Another peaceful day in the USA ....
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Man, I'd hate to see where you get your news from.
From the video of the alleged incident and you?
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From the video of the alleged incident and you?
I saw the video. So what exactly about it is a lie? It clearly shows the "Trump train" surrounding the bus on all sides and forcing the bus to slow down to a speed of about 20 mph on the expressway. The bus driver and the bus's occupants have said that the trucks were acting as though they were trying to run the bus off of the road. And even the police came and escorted the bus to its destination.

This would be illegal for anyone to do to a moving vehicle that is doing nothing more than minding its own business and driving on the highway.
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Sorry to confuse you, my bad. I was referring to liberals as liberal US media, monotonously condemning anyone who dares to support the Orange Man while calling riots a peaceful protest. Not saying that you are the one doing this.
I do not assume anything about you except that 'Running off the road' is not your personal opinion, you just read it in some liberal online rag and now you are imagining that it is your original conclusion.
As I said before if this is a flag waving and demonstrating then no harm done and nothing to excuse. No cars were set on fire, no graffiti on public buildings no private property destroyed, none got shot or ran over. Another peaceful day in the USA ....
You're doing "that thing" again... where you're trying to use the riots as a means to try to justify their behavior. This incident has nothing to do with the riots, and the riots do not someone automatically make Trump supporters unaccountable for their own behavior.

No, this wasn't simply a matter of "flag waving and demonstrating." This was a matter of a bunch of trucks surrounding a moving bus on the highway and causing it to slow-down to about 20 mps and then a police escort assisting the bus to safety. It's also a matter of three Biden events being cancelled because of it.

And then Trump went ahead and condoned and encouraged their behavior.

If you're seriously unable to realize how f'ed up that is, you'll never get it, because apparently it's beyond your comprehension.
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Running off the road narrative is nothing more than a pre-election propaganda for the weak...
I don't believe liberal pearl-clutching when they are cheering on riots and burning of the people's livelihood all around the country...
BTW, I watched the video of so called 'Running off the road incident', it is a bold faced lie, as expected.
Who exactly is cheering on riots? Can you produce examples?

Between 24 May and 22 August, 2020 ACLED records more than 10,600 demonstration events across the country.
Over 10,100 of these — or nearly 95% — involve peaceful protesters. Fewer than 570 — or approximately 5% — involve demonstrators engaging in violence.

You are just repeating alt right propaganda without any solid foundation of evidence.
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You are just repeating alt right propaganda without any solid foundation of evidence.
Why should he be any different from his previous identities on here?
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I mean I can see some reasoning to say ballots need to be received by 3 Nov, but what is the constitutional argument to stop counting after midnight? I cannot see one, and even the court is solidly right, cannot see them buying this.

But yeah, it doesn't look pretty. Florida needs to go blue at 9pm.

That said, the final NBC/WSJ poll had Trump winning 51% of the white vote. If that is anywhere close to reality, he is so done.
I don't think Florida will matter. Pennsylvania, yes.
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Hah when did COlberto get so funny? Watch his new satirical election stress medication advert (I set the video to start at the correct time). Hilarious.

https://youtu.be/9qkucY_oJk8?t=577

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From the video of the alleged incident and you?
Yay, another new alternate account that jumped straight into the political threads.

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