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Re: Azerbaijan and Erdogan call for completion of the Armenian Genocide

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you cannot just make up lies about things that were not said by looking at the people who said them and the situation they are in. To suggest someone is talking about committing such an outrageous act as a genocide just out of conjecture is unacceptable.
Can you please re-read what I wrote and then come back again. Where did I use the words genocide? What I said is that Erdogan is clearly showing that this is his perceived zone of influence and he is ready to fight for it.

And yes, it's a historical fact that Turkey committed genocide against the Armenians and is even to this day not willing to take responsibility. The first step to change one's behavior is to admit one made a mistake. Turkey does not admit that mistake and this leaves open the question, what is mortally acceptable for him today?
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I suggest you keep your agenda to yourself

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he/she is doing a great propaganda.. who accept "Genocide" as turkish? You are just twisting the words..



My heart is with Azerbaijan and Turkey (even I am against Erdogan). This operation should continue until Karabagh is free and goes where it belongs to.
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Check your profile unless you are lying there as well!
how is that relevant to the discussion? I said I am happy to discuss this with you rationally if you lack historical context.
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he/she is doing a great propaganda.. who accept "Genocide" as turkish? You are just twisting the words..



My heart is with Azerbaijan and Turkey (even I am against Erdogan). This operation should continue until Karabagh is free and goes where it belongs to.
where is the propaganda? are you denying the armenian genocide?
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how is that relevant to the discussion? I said I am happy to discuss this with you rationally if you lack historical context.
I think you have a problem following this thread. You posted a youtube video purporting to catch Erdogan saying he wants to complete a genocide when he says nothing of the sort. I objected to this because I read the script of this speech and failed to find anything that proves the title of your thread justified.

Then you claimed Turkey distabilized the region and I reminded you that the cause of conflict in the region has been the presence of oil/gas and it goes way back to the beginning of the 20th century (if not earlier) when the UK and France stirred trouble there and the UK has been a contributor to the conflict because it supported the US as recently as the invasion of Irak.

That's why your country came into question.
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I see the thread title has been changed. I guess that is an improvement.

Feel free to continue your discussion!
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I think you have a problem following this thread. You posted a youtube video purporting to catch Erdogan saying he wants to complete a genocide when he says nothing of the sort. I objected to this because I read the script of this speech and failed to find anything that proves the title of your thread justified.

Then you claimed Turkey distabilized the region and I reminded you that the cause of conflict in the region has been the presence of oil/gas and it goes way back to the beginning of the 20th century (if not earlier) when the UK and France stirred trouble there and the UK has been a contributor to the conflict because it supported the US as recently as the invasion of Irak.

That's why your country came into question.
of course Erdogan does not use the word "genocide", but it is a veiled threat and anyone with an understanding of the historical context would get this. Yes the Brits and French destabilized the region originally, but that does not excuse Erdogan's actions or intentions. Finally my country is not relevant.
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Old 06.10.2020, 14:19
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this is an insensitive and ignorant comment, did you read post #1? do you know anything about what is going on?
Yes I do, thanks for asking. I was in Armenia when it blew up in the nineties, actually I was there for 10 months over the course of two years. Then again in 2011 and the fighting was still going on.
And I still have a contact or two there.
One one trip to a customer the car I was in was stopped by a young Armenian solider by way of pointing a gun at us instead of a thumb. He had been home for the weekend and just wanted a lift to the front.
Ahhhh! The nightlife of Yerewan. You should have seen all the young guys and girls in the bars and restaurants, all dressed up in their uniforms, sidearms hanging on their belts, all laughing and joking, dancing, drinking and kissing and passing a bottle.
My translator told me that they were happy to have, at last, something exciting to do.
So yes I do know what I am talking about and I stand by it.

Having said that I suppose the same could be said for all those tribal wars that are going on at the moment. anywhere where you get young guys with way too much testosterone and the common sense god gave a bag of hammers. Just give them a gun or a rock and club and tell them that that other bunch of young guys over the next hill is the enemy. Don´t forget young guys are pack animals and won´t need much prodding.
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Re: Azerbaijan and Erdogan call for completion of the Armenian Genocide

hey slammer, is the soldier cosplay a thing over there? Saw this video on twitter, but I have zero knowledge to assess if it's just military propaganda or is something that resonates with the youth. I know the video is from Azerbaijan, but you always need at least 2 to dance https://twitter.com/simulacrax/statu...72844364361728
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hey slammer, is the soldier cosplay a thing over there? Saw this video on twitter, but I have zero knowledge to assess if it's just military propaganda or is something that resonates with the youth https://twitter.com/simulacrax/statu...72844364361728
thats an Azeribaijan clip, not Armenian: "Azerbaijan have released a military music video, featuring their soldiers playing guitars in front of APCs and other military hardware. This is truly is bizarre."
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thats an Azeribaijan clip, not Armenian: "Azerbaijan have released a military music video, featuring their soldiers playing guitars in front of APCs and other military hardware. This is truly is bizarre."

fixed my post above, the idea doesn't change. militarism exists all around the world.
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where is the propaganda? are you denying the armenian genocide?
Et voila, the agenda
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it's a fact that it happened and its a fact that Azerbaijan backed by Turkey are the aggressors in this conflict. why don't you engage in a discussion?
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it's a fact that it happened and its a fact that Azerbaijan backed by Turkey are the aggressors in this conflict. why don't you engage in a discussion?
I don't see anyone here arguing that the Armenian Genocide, committed by the Ottoman Empire over a hundred years ago, didn't happen.

Whether Turkey is aiding one side or another in the current troubles is another question altogether, but your assertion that there's a firm connection between this and the ancient history of a long-toppled regime don't seem to be supported by anything you've said so far.
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I don't see anyone here arguing that the Armenian Genocide, committed by the Ottoman Empire over a hundred years ago, didn't happen.

Whether Turkey is aiding one side or another in the current troubles is another question altogether, but your assertion that there's a firm connection between this and the ancient history of a long-toppled regime don't seem to be supported by anything you've said so far.
It's in my very first post, Ace.

Also see post 19.

This is Turkey’s war:
  • Turkish drones
  • Turkish weapons
  • Turkish jihadists
  • Turkish leadership
  • Turkish command
  • Turkish electronic warfare
  • Turkish command even on ground over emergency services.
  • Turkish planes flying back and forth.

verified by independent sources on the ground
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It's in my very first post, Ace.

Also see post 19.

This is Turkey’s war:
  • Turkish drones
  • Turkish weapons
  • Turkish jihadists
  • Turkish leadership
  • Turkish command
  • Turkish electronic warfare
  • Turkish command even on ground over emergency services.
  • Turkish planes flying back and forth.

verified by independent sources on the ground
So, why is Israel so eager to tell publicly the war attacks are made with the drones they sold to Azerbaijan? Nothing to be proud of, anyway they claim it's their drones.

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/azeris...rmenia-report/

I'd expect arms dealers to be a bit more discrete. Albeit, it seems the current conflict is used like a marketing strategy by arms manufacturers.
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It's in my very first post, Ace.

Also see post 19.

This is Turkey’s war:
I don't see anyone disagreeing with this - you seem to want someone to argue against you, but nobody is apparently wanting to do so. Could it be that we all agree with this bit? I don't know.

Anyway, what's the relevance of all this to the Armenian Genocide? This is the point you're being challenged about.

You accused the modern day Turkish leadership of pursuing a policy to continue with, or indeed to "complete", a campaign that, according to the history books, started and finished over a hundred years ago, but you haven't shown a single reason why we should think there is any such connection.
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I don't see anyone disagreeing with this - you seem to want someone to argue against you, but nobody is apparently wanting to do so. Could it be that we all agree with this bit? I don't know.

Anyway, what's the relevance of all this to the Armenian Genocide? This is the point you're being challenged about.

You accused the modern day Turkish leadership of pursuing a policy to continue with, or indeed to "complete", a campaign that, according to the history books, started and finished over a hundred years ago, but you haven't shown a single reason why we should think there is any such connection.
it's relevant because Erdogan wants to recreate the Ottoman empire with a Turkic empire from Turkey to the east of east of Asia. That is his rhetoric. He's openly triggered this conflict as I have shown you above. Minorities get in his way, I am surprised that you are not aware of Turkey's violent treatment of minorities.

Just one link of many with a quick google: https://time.com/5885650/erdogans-ottoman-worry-world/
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So, why is Israel so eager to tell publicly the war attacks are made with the drones they sold to Azerbaijan? Nothing to be proud of, anyway they claim it's their drones.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/azeris...rmenia-report/

I'd expect arms dealers to be a bit more discrete. Albeit, it seems the current conflict is used like a marketing strategy by arms manufacturers.
Turkish owned Israeli made drones.
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it's relevant because Erdogan wants to recreate the Ottoman empire with a Turkic empire from Turkey to the east of east of Asia. That is his rhetoric. He's openly triggered this conflict as I have shown you above. Minorities get in his way, I am surprised that you are not aware of Turkey's violent treatment of minorities.

Just one link of many with a quick google: https://time.com/5885650/erdogans-ottoman-worry-world/
I think in the coming decades we will see a lot more of this kind of stuff. The meek had their chance but were too timid to take it and now it´s the era of the rightwing nationalists gasping for a strong Führer figure who will rid them of their favorite hate of the day: "the...great... soft... sissy... girlie... nancy... French... bender... Man United supporting.. do-gooding lefties."
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