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That land was lived in by both Armenians and Azerbaijanis in peace for decades. It seems like this entire Nationalistic bullshit is the problem. I doubt the original inhabitants wanted to toss their neighbours out regardless of which ethnicity they belonged to. This stuff is dumb. People need to learn to share land.
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...in history books, in 100 years, if this planet will not end up as nuclear ash, this conflicts in Irak, Afganistan, Libia, Sirya and now Armenia, will be called as GAS wars...this are battles for Europe energetic dependence, between USA and Russia...currently Armenia is an Russian allies and Azerbaijan is in assertion to become NATO member...the biggest client for Azerbaijan gas is GAZPROM which are buying at the price of 50-70$ per 1000m3, GAZPROM are selling this to Europe at the price of 300-400$...same is happening with Turkmenistan which is not to far from Afganistan, they are selling to GAZPROM at the price 27-40$, alternative will be to transport to Karachi through Afganistan...and then all this conflicts are being emerging around this battle to take over the supply of GAS to Europe...even the American sanction against Iran is because Europe increases LNG terminal capacity and buy GAS from Iran...
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The OSCE is not the EU. Its an organization that includes Turkey, Russia and the former Soviet Republics (as well as the US and Canada). They are based in Vienna and their job is peace keeping and building up countries after conflicts, for example in the Balkans.


In short: it is the perfect international organization to help deescalate the conflict with diplomatic means.
They did a hell out of job in the Balkans, that's for sure...

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Despite the Albanians being slaughtered?
Despite Albanians and Serbs mutually slaughtered each other - just like the Brits and Irish slaughtered each other for a century, but London was never bombed.

(ok, it was, but this was a different agenda).
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They did a hell out of job in the Balkans, that's for sure...



Despite Albanians and Serbs mutually slaughtered each other - just like the Brits and Irish slaughtered each other for a century, but London was never bombed.

(ok, it was, but this was a different agenda).
It was when the the small states broke away from the crumbling Yugoslavia did Milosevic send in his wardogs to massacre so don’t think it was a two way thing, of course if someone breaks into my house of course I’m going to grab the kitchen knife and try to kill him.Serbia was bombed to stop another Srebernica, don’t you think one was enough?

Regarding the English and Irish the same applies, it only became a two way street when Michael Collins outfoxed the invading Black and Tans sent to murder innocent Irish by the genocidal Winston Churchill.

They had gone in the mire to destroy us and our nation and after them we had to go- General Tom Barry
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London was never bombed.
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Really?
He meant that London wasn't bombed in the Irish-English conflict in the same way that Serbia was bombed during the Yugoslav wars. This is a WWII photo, so really he's right

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GAZPROM are selling this to Europe at the price of 300-400$...
Gazprom pricing has always been a political tool. It sells more expensively to former communist countries where it pays bribes (Bulgaria) and sells more cheaply in Western European countries where it expects political favors (Germany). In fact, it's good to think about Gazprom not as an economic entity, but rather as an extension of the Kremlin.

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Europe increases LNG terminal capacity and buy GAS from Iran...
No, Iran doesn't sell any gas to Europe. It sells gas to it's immediate neighbors, mainly Turkey and Iraq. It's oil goes mainly to China and none goes to Europe. In fact, the Iranians are so desperate to find markets, that they shipped a few tankers to Venezuela, a few made it, one was captured by the Americans. Which btw, is one of my favorite stories: Venezuela, the country with the largest proven oil reserves in the world has to buy oil from Iran as it's government has no capability any more to extract or refine. This is communism in a nutshell.

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Really?
He meant it was never bombed hard enough..


Lol, just trying to stir the pot a little. It is peace both sides should seek after, not war and bombardments. And definitely not foreign interventions.
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Re: Azerbaijan conflict

For those of you who still can't see that Erdogan is trying to ethnically cleanse Nagorno Karabagh of Armenians, the capital Stepanakert (pop c. 60,000) has been heavily shelled by Azerbaijan and Turkey, forcing residents to leave so the city is now a ghost town.

"If people of Karabakh are citizens of Azerbaijan, what does it tell us that Baku is subjecting them to lethal bombardment? Is that any way to treat one’s people?" John M Evans

https://twitter.com/EvansinAmerica/s...62377099919365

Here is an article written by Uzay Bulut, a Turkish journalist and human rights acitivist, who explains the hostility Turkey and Azerbaijan have towards Armenia and talks about ethnic cleansing:

https://www.theamericanconservative....ng-once-again/
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I love Armenian cognac. Flying back from a month in Echmiadzin I had a two day stopover in Moskau and in the hotelbar I made the mistake of telling a bunch of Georgians that I thought Armenian cognac is the best....

You could have heard a pin drop

"Ours is better!"

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A few days later I had a Doctor appointment and when the results came back in he asked if I had been in Russia?

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It was when the the small states broke away from the crumbling Yugoslavia did Milosevic send in his wardogs to massacre so don’t think it was a two way thing, of course if someone breaks into my house of course I’m going to grab the kitchen knife and try to kill him.Serbia was bombed to stop another Srebernica, don’t you think one was enough?

Regarding the English and Irish the same applies, it only became a two way street when Michael Collins outfoxed the invading Black and Tans sent to murder innocent Irish by the genocidal Winston Churchill.

They had gone in the mire to destroy us and our nation and after them we had to go- General Tom Barry
Such a typical brainwashed western comment. Yes, let's blame Milosevic and Srebrenica for everything. Never mind over 3000 Serb civilian victims slaughtered by the BH army based in Srebrenica in the period 92-95 (yes, while Srebrenica was the UN protected safe haven); never mind that the Srebrenica figures are so inflated and majority are men who were killed during the fighting and their attempted break-through from Srebrenica; and yes it was the same men that committed the atrocities in the 92-95 period – yes, they were POWs and were then executed, no excuse for that, it is a war crime but it is not women and children that were killed, and certainly it was not genocide; never mind that after-war-deceased are regularly collected in the Muslim cemeteries throughout Bosnia and trucked every year for the July Potocari charade).

Never mind that the biggest post-WWII genocide in Europe was actually committed by Croats in 1995 when some 3,000 Serb civilians were killed and the rest of 250,000 expelled from Croatia to make Croatia probably the most ethnically cleansed EU member. The situation that so much resembles the Nagorno-Karabakh situation now – let’s see if the Turks will have it the same way now as the Croats did in 1995, and if so, will they be blessed by the US and the EU for their action.

On the Serb-Albanian conflict, never mind that the number of displaced from and within Kosovo in 1998-99 was around 50,000 on each side. Equal number. Even though one side was the government, the other was a terrorist Albanian organization (according to the CIA, until 1998; when all of a sudden they became freedom fighters). Do you know of any other country where the government would allow displacement by rebels of their own citizens, and not take action accordingly?

Also never mind the war crimes committed by Albanians during the NATO bombing, once they had protection they needed – organ harvesting being just one of them (Does Dick Marty ring a bell, anyone?). And even excuses for the intervention, like Racak massacre – a fabrication by OSCE William Walker at the time (see below on Helena Ranta who did the initial forensic report)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Ranta
https://insajder.net/en/site/news/4654/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_M...heft_in_Kosovo


Chemical weapons in Iraq? Sounds familiar?

True, there has been so much in this conflict on all sides; Milosevic is certainly no angel and can be blamed for so many things; certainly the Serbs are not less innocent than others. Not more guilty, either. In fact, probably the biggest losers (save for the BH Muslims) in the Balkans wars.

And just for the record, let’s take stock of the ethnic minorities in the Balkans, before and after the war:

Croatia – before the war 78% Croats - 12% Serbs, 10% others; after the war 90% Croats, 4%; Serbs, 6% others.
Kosovo – 90% Albanian, 10% Serbs; after the war – 100% Albanian.
Serbia (without Kosovo) – 80% Serbs, 20% others; after the war – unchanged.
(Bosnia to be left aside – as they mutually cleansed each other everywhere; no one innocent there).

And finally Slovenia – despite almost ethnically clean before the war, nonetheless felt the urge to ethnically cleanse the Bosnians – by way of paperwork (!!!)
(deletion from the records) during the war. So the cleanest ethnic cleansing…

What a fancy term – ‘the erased’. A proud EU member erasing it’s population…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Er...av%20republics.

Hold on – Macedonia – still not cleansed? Sure, 1/3 Albanians still there. Wait and see when this changes to 2/3…

So go figure which country in the Balkans has the biggest ethnic minority now, never cleansed.

But again, never mind, keep living in your oblivion. And have an opinion here and thereafter.
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I love Armenian cognac.
No, you don't.

Armenian brandy may be loverly, but Cognac it ain't.
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Such a typical brainwashed western comment.
Do you also remember the times when the US was promising that they will never allow Kosovo to unite with Albania. Well, sure, this has been long forgotten and the process is well underway. Both failed, mafia states, extremely nationalistic and completely at odds with everyone around. Also, people tend to forget exactly what you said about North Macedonia: at some point the Albanian "minority" fighters were shelling Skopie and were about to overtake it. They probably figured in a few years they'll be the majority there anyway and the process for Greater Albania will be impossible to stop. The US has the habit to solve 1 problem, create 3 more and then completely abandon everything
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Armenian brandy may be loverly, but Cognac it ain't.
Brandy, schmandy, what´s in a name, after you have had a few you no longer care?

But I do stand corrected.
It´s Brandy...

https://en.araratbrandy.com/?


And why do I suddenly have a hankering after Armenian brandy?
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Such a typical brainwashed western comment. Yes, let's blame Milosevic and Srebrenica for everything. Never mind over 3000 Serb civilian victims slaughtered by the BH army based in Srebrenica in the period 92-95 (yes, while Srebrenica was the UN protected safe haven); never mind that the Srebrenica figures are so inflated and majority are men who were killed during the fighting and their attempted break-through from Srebrenica; and yes it was the same men that committed the atrocities in the 92-95 period – yes, they were POWs and were then executed, no excuse for that, it is a war crime but it is not women and children that were killed, and certainly it was not genocide; never mind that after-war-deceased are regularly collected in the Muslim cemeteries throughout Bosnia and trucked every year for the July Potocari charade).

Never mind that the biggest post-WWII genocide in Europe was actually committed by Croats in 1995 when some 3,000 Serb civilians were killed and the rest of 250,000 expelled from Croatia to make Croatia probably the most ethnically cleansed EU member. The situation that so much resembles the Nagorno-Karabakh situation now – let’s see if the Turks will have it the same way now as the Croats did in 1995, and if so, will they be blessed by the US and the EU for their action.

On the Serb-Albanian conflict, never mind that the number of displaced from and within Kosovo in 1998-99 was around 50,000 on each side. Equal number. Even though one side was the government, the other was a terrorist Albanian organization (according to the CIA, until 1998; when all of a sudden they became freedom fighters). Do you know of any other country where the government would allow displacement by rebels of their own citizens, and not take action accordingly?

Also never mind the war crimes committed by Albanians during the NATO bombing, once they had protection they needed – organ harvesting being just one of them (Does Dick Marty ring a bell, anyone?). And even excuses for the intervention, like Racak massacre – a fabrication by OSCE William Walker at the time (see below on Helena Ranta who did the initial forensic report)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Ranta
https://insajder.net/en/site/news/4654/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_M...heft_in_Kosovo


Chemical weapons in Iraq? Sounds familiar?

True, there has been so much in this conflict on all sides; Milosevic is certainly no angel and can be blamed for so many things; certainly the Serbs are not less innocent than others. Not more guilty, either. In fact, probably the biggest losers (save for the BH Muslims) in the Balkans wars.

And just for the record, let’s take stock of the ethnic minorities in the Balkans, before and after the war:

Croatia – before the war 78% Croats - 12% Serbs, 10% others; after the war 90% Croats, 4%; Serbs, 6% others.
Kosovo – 90% Albanian, 10% Serbs; after the war – 100% Albanian.
Serbia (without Kosovo) – 80% Serbs, 20% others; after the war – unchanged.
(Bosnia to be left aside – as they mutually cleansed each other everywhere; no one innocent there).

And finally Slovenia – despite almost ethnically clean before the war, nonetheless felt the urge to ethnically cleanse the Bosnians – by way of paperwork (!!!)
(deletion from the records) during the war. So the cleanest ethnic cleansing…

What a fancy term – ‘the erased’. A proud EU member erasing it’s population…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Er...av%20republics.

Hold on – Macedonia – still not cleansed? Sure, 1/3 Albanians still there. Wait and see when this changes to 2/3…

So go figure which country in the Balkans has the biggest ethnic minority now, never cleansed.

But again, never mind, keep living in your oblivion. And have an opinion here and thereafter.
No I don’t blame just Milošević, Karazdic and Maldic can be added to the list just for starters.

It’s enlightening to know it was just soldiers killed in Srebrenica and no women and children. Thanks for correcting my ignorance.
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Maldic can be added to the list just for starters.

Is this a typo? You must have meant Malden, Carl Malden?
Sure - he is also a Serb but I don't see a connection here.
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Is this a typo? You must have meant Malden, Carl Malden?
Sure - he is also a Serb but I don't see a connection here.
Yes it was a typo I meant Ratko Mladic.My apologies for the confusion.
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He meant that London wasn't bombed in the Irish-English conflict in the same way that Serbia was bombed during the Yugoslav wars. This is a WWII photo, so really he's right


Gazprom pricing has always been a political tool. It sells more expensively to former communist countries where it pays bribes (Bulgaria) and sells more cheaply in Western European countries where it expects political favors (Germany). In fact, it's good to think about Gazprom not as an economic entity, but rather as an extension of the Kremlin.


No, Iran doesn't sell any gas to Europe. It sells gas to it's immediate neighbors, mainly Turkey and Iraq. It's oil goes mainly to China and none goes to Europe. In fact, the Iranians are so desperate to find markets, that they shipped a few tankers to Venezuela, a few made it, one was captured by the Americans. Which btw, is one of my favorite stories: Venezuela, the country with the largest proven oil reserves in the world has to buy oil from Iran as it's government has no capability any more to extract or refine. This is communism in a nutshell.
…sorry I meant prepared to buy, but they been "caught" just in time by the US...the thing that both Russia and USA always been acting as liberation countries at expense of others life, but in reality only financial side was at the heart of both...but smaller countries are suffering, and armenians will die just because of this countries interest...
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It is special.
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Armenian brandy may be loverly, but Cognac it ain't.
…Cognac it is a brandy from region Cognac...Russian named ArArAt brandy as ArArAt cognac just because everything French was trendy in 19 century in the Russian Empire...after the 1950, when the law of Appellation d'origine contrôlée appear, only the brandy from region Cognac can be named cognac...same as Champagne and Cava, and many more...
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It’s enlightening to know it was just soldiers killed in Srebrenica and no women and children. Thanks for correcting my ignorance.
Is that sarcasm? The Serbian soldiers that attacked Srebrenica and Potocari separated the women and small children, and sent most of them by bus to the Bosnian controlled part of the country, while kids over 12 and men were rounded up and soon after murdered.
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