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Is that sarcasm? The Serbian soldiers that attacked Srebrenica and Potocari separated the women and small children, and sent most of them by bus to the Bosnian controlled part of the country, while kids over 12 and men were rounded up and soon after murdered.
True. As already mentioned, they spared women and children. Most of those killed were men of military age - and the majority died during the military attempt to break through the frontline. Those captured were then executed, no question about it. It is a notorious war crime but certainly not genocide. And a story of children over 12 executed is a plain BS propaganda.

In any case, how is this different from the Croatian attack on the Serb Krajina? Well, it does differ - Croats executed civilians, not military POWs. Some 3,000 elderly who were too weak to move. And it wasn't just women and children - over 250,000 (i.e. the entire population) were expelled to Serbia.

Something that is awaiting Nagorno-Karabakh I am afraid, should Erdogan have his way.

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Is that sarcasm? The Serbian soldiers that attacked Srebrenica and Potocari separated the women and small children, and sent most of them by bus to the Bosnian controlled part of the country, while kids over 12 and men were rounded up and soon after murdered.
Yes I was being sarcastic to a previous post who claimed it was just soldiers of fighting age that were killed and no women or children. That poster likes a revisionist history to suit his beliefs.
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Yes I was being sarcastic to a previous post who claimed it was just soldiers of fighting age that were killed and no women or children. That poster likes a revisionist history to suit his beliefs.
is this all you can respond to my arguments? and pls make up your mind were women and children killed, or were they separated from men and taken elsewhere?

and as per your previous comments, did they kill kids older than 12, but then spared adult women? what about girl kids? were they then killed? or now they are all killed altogether?

get some consistency pls - and perhaps also touch base on 3,000 killed in 92-95, another 3,000 or so killed in Croatia, etc...

seriously...
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Re: Azerbaijan conflict

OK guys, let's focus on the Azerbaidjan conflict, last thing our continent needs is yet another conflict. What happened in the 90s during the Yugoslav wars is a stain on the countries in the region, and those who are from the region know very well people have lived for centuries and can live very peacefully next to other ethnicities/nationalities unless there's the virus of nationalism running rampant fuelled by sinister characters. This is a very diverse and culturally rich region, let's preserve it like it is. People should learn from the past and move on. Nobody has to go anywhere. Conflicts can be solved peacefully, don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
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This is a very diverse and culturally rich region, let's preserve it like it is. People should learn from the past and move on. Nobody has to go anywhere. Conflicts can be solved peacefully, don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
Its not a diverse and culturally rich region because it has been so peaceful in the past... very much like the Balkans. People havent lived peacefully for centuries at all. And usually were in both places the Ottomans part of the problem...
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Azerbaijan and Turkey using cluster bombs verified from an independent source:
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/stat...79867080462338

As mentioned already "if people of Karabakh are citizens of Azerbaijan, what does it tell us that Baku is subjecting them to lethal bombardment? Is that any way to treat one’s people?"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...baijan-clashes

@Treverus and greenmount, the only relatively peaceful time in this region was under the USSR which kept a lid on the conflict on the one hand but Stalin sowed the seeds of this conflict by his divide and rule strategy giving Karabagh, over 90% Armenian, to Azerbaijan, in 1923.
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As mentioned already "if people of Karabakh are citizens of Azerbaijan, what does it tell us that Baku is subjecting them to lethal bombardment? Is that any way to treat one’s people?"
The problem is Turkey's involvement which changes the calculus in Baku. Russia has cultivated workable relationship with both Yerevan and Baku and has kept the status quo in one way or another. The intervention of the increasingly unpredictable Erdogan gives confidence in Baku that they can actually change the status quo this time and win (remember, they "lost" the previous conflict, so they want a re-match). Russia is very unlikely to allow Erdogan to do so and will likely escalate both there (there's already a few thousand Russian soldiers in Yerevan) and in other areas where Russian and Turkish interests are at odds (Syria, Libya). Hopefully Baku doesn't get over-confident because for Erdogan this is an opportunistic move, but for the Russians, Armenians and the Azeri - it's literally a matter of life and death and they have much more to lose.

And don't forget, Russia is never as weak as we want it to be and never as strong as it thinks it is. Turkish soldiers suffered massive casualties in a few skirmishes with armed militias in Syria which showed a surprising weakness in their command. Russia knows that and they can easily escalate with very little to lose while showing Erdogan that he's out of his depth.
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Re: Azerbaijan conflict

Just a quick reminder: the state oil company of Azerbaijan? That’s the „Socar“ gas stations in Switzerland ;-)

https://www.20min.ch/story/migros-we...k-539927957787
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Just a quick reminder: the state oil company of Azerbaijan? That’s the „Socar“ gas stations in Switzerland ;-)

https://www.20min.ch/story/migros-we...k-539927957787
Thanks, good link. Also on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/stefan.mull...19202453985912
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Re: Azerbaijan conflict

WTF with SOCAR and Migros...translation from the 20min article:

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The Azerbaijani oil company Socar (State Oil Company of the Azerbaijan Republic) operates over sixty Migrolino shops in Switzerland via a franchise agreement with Migros. The state oil multinational shares images of war on its social media channels under titles such as "Karabakh is Azerbaijan". Socar posts pictures of tanks and cannons as well as videos of marching soldiers on Facebook - always with the company's logo, which is also emblazoned at almost two hundred Swiss petrol stations. Socar writes that Azerbaijani oil workers fought “for the motherland”. Be proud of them, even envy them.
On the other hand, I have no idea about the source of the cheap fuel I buy from Ruedi Russel gas stations
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Its not a diverse and culturally rich region because it has been so peaceful in the past... very much like the Balkans. People havent lived peacefully for centuries at all. And usually were in both places the Ottomans part of the problem...
I'm afraid we're talking about different things.
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Re: Azerbaijan conflict

A ceasefire has been brokered by Russia:

(1) without limitation;
(2) for the purpose of exchanging POWs and the bodies of the dead;
(3) specific parameters to be discussed separately;
(4) #Baku and #Yerevan to begin peace talks under OSCE auspices;
(5) Baseline discussions continue

Let’s see how long this lasts given that previous ceasefires were broken by the Azeris.

Ceasefire starts at midday today but Azerbaijan has been and STILL IS shelling Stepanakert (which they say belongs to them!) for over a week now with extensive damage done. They have destroyed the cathedral at Shushi and have been using cluster bombs on civilians.

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Azerbaijan never held their fire and ignored the "ceasefire" and have continued to bomb Stepanakert relentlessly with the aid of Turkish drones

Erdogan’s proxy war in Armenia ugly echo of Turkey’s genocidal campaign century ago from the New York Post:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/erdoga...idal-campaign/
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Azerbaijan continuing to bomb civilian infrastructure.

First a Cathedral in Shushi and today a civilian hospital in Karabagh. War crimes.
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In October-November, TAP is expected to go online, meaning the entire Southern Gas Corridor (SGC) stretching from Azerbaijan to Italy will start working. The initial transportation capacity of the pipeline is 16 billion cubic meters (bcm) per year. Almost all gas from the SGC has been contracted. SGC has already started delivering 6 bcm per year to Turkey. Before entering the primary marketplace in Italy, Bulgarian natural gas distributor Bulgargaz and its Greek counterpart DEPA will receive 1 bcm each annually. The remaining 8 bcm in Italy will be distributed between European traders Shell, Engie, Axpo, ENEL, Hera, E.ON and Gas Natural SDG.

Recent developments suggest that Europe may seek to boost its Caspian gas imports beyond 10 bcm per annum. Operators TAP AG, Snam, and DESFA are considering expanding TAP capacity by another 7.8 billion or 11.7 billion cubic meters, Eurasia Daily reported, referring to Platts.
...that it says a lot...
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Re: Azerbaijan conflict

Stepanakert, the capital of NK, has been bombed for three weeks solid by Azeri drones and cluster bombs with many civilians dead. If NK really belonged to Azerbaijan then why are they bombing their civilians?

Azerbaijan: Cluster Munitions Used in Nagorno-Karabakh, a clear war crime:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/10/23/...JQTsN9YtsP2tY#
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Re: Azerbaijan conflict

UPDATE: Turkish F-16s launched a massive strike on civilian facilities and infrastructure of Stepanakert, the capital of NK

Source: wargonzo in Istanbul:

Among the targets was the maternity hospital of the capital of Artsakh

@ Ace1, who changed the title of this thread, please pay attention, the Turks are once again trying to wipe out Armenians
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OK guys, let's focus on the Azerbaidjan conflict, last thing our continent needs is yet another conflict. What happened in the 90s during the Yugoslav wars is a stain on the countries in the region, and those who are from the region know very well people have lived for centuries and can live very peacefully next to other ethnicities/nationalities unless there's the virus of nationalism running rampant fuelled by sinister characters. This is a very diverse and culturally rich region, let's preserve it like it is. People should learn from the past and move on. Nobody has to go anywhere. Conflicts can be solved peacefully, don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
I would say no! The Jugoslavian ethnics have hated each other for generations, it was only Tito who kept a lid on that pressure cooker, the big surprise was that it took so long to kick off.
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UPDATE: Turkish F-16s launched a massive strike on civilian facilities and infrastructure of Stepanakert, the capital of NK

Careful with words. NK is commonly used for North Korea......for a few seconds I considered drinking the schnaps I have in the office.
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Careful with words. NK is commonly used for North Korea......for a few seconds I considered drinking the schnaps I have in the office.
NK = Nagorno Karabagh (Azeri name)

or Artsakh for Armenians
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