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Old 11.11.2020, 09:18
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I welcome your comments (and your groans! ) FCBarca, if you have anything informative and constructive to add.
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Now NATO member and genocidal Turkey is eliminating Christian Assyrian villages in Iraq: https://twitter.com/dianafaithf/stat...41316221968384

How lucky for you! Now that the conflict you have been banging about (mostly via monologues) is over, you can go and spew your hatred against Turkey in a separate thread.
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Old 11.11.2020, 09:32
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How lucky for you! Now that the conflict you have been banging about (mostly via monologues) is over, you can go and spew your hatred against Turkey in a separate thread.
I mentioned facts, do you have any constructive comments? Are you aware or even want to be aware of what is happening in the region?

Do you have any comments about Erdogan's Ottoman's ambitions? His incitement to violence against two EU member states France and Greece?
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I mentioned facts, do you have any constructive comments? Are you aware or even want to be aware of what is happening in the region?

Do you have any comments about Erdogan's Ottoman's ambitions? His incitement to violence against two EU member states France and Greece?
Facts? Your sources seem to be mainly random Twitter comments and questionable journalists. One thing they have in common is their hatred of Turkey... and no, I am not interested and from the way this thread has been about your monologue, I doubt anybody else is either, despite your attempts fuel discussion via PMs.
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Old 11.11.2020, 09:48
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Facts? Your sources seem to be mainly random Twitter comments and questionable journalists. One thing they have in common is their hatred of Turkey... and no, I am not interested and from the way this thread has been about your monologue, I doubt anybody else is either, despite your attempts fuel discussion via PMs.
Not hatred of Turkey, but criticism of Turkey's / Erdogan's political ambitions in the region. I have posted links and arguments from various sources.

You have contributed nothing and deliberately confuse criticism of Erdogan with "hatred of Turkey" which is childish.

Turkey is currently bombing Assyrian villages? Do you have any comments? Or anything constructive to add?
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I mentioned facts, do you have any constructive comments? Are you aware or even want to be aware of what is happening in the region?

Do you have any comments about Erdogan's Ottoman's ambitions? His incitement to violence against two EU member states France and Greece?
1. You did not mention facts backed with credible sources but a simple tweet by some random woman making a claim without any details.

2. Yes, Russia stepped in and will force peace with their soldiers. Karabach stays Armenian, but parts of the buffer zone around it are lost. That buffer zone was conquered by Armenians in the 90s and the Azerbaijani population was just as brutally displaced. How about that for a fact?

It’s a war. It’s neither pretty nor fair. Armenians can be happy that Russia stepped in and kept Turkey out of the peacekeeping mission.
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Old 11.11.2020, 10:10
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1. You did not mention facts backed with credible sources but a simple tweet by some random woman making a claim without any details.

2. Yes, Russia stepped in and will force peace with their soldiers. Karabach stays Armenian, but parts of the buffer zone around it are lost. That buffer zone was conquered by Armenians in the 90s and the Azerbaijani population was just as brutally displaced. How about that for a fact?

It’s a war. It’s neither pretty nor fair. Armenians can be happy that Russia stepped in and kept Turkey out of the peacekeeping mission.
1. It is happening right now, there are tweets reporting this right now which will become official sources later, it doesn't invalidate the fact. that's how news works

2. The status of Karabagh is unclear actually. That will be discussed later

You are correct that there have been many displacements but more accurately they have been on both sides since the 1990s but its not a one way street.
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Not hatred of Turkey, but criticism of Turkey's / Erdogan's political ambitions in the region. I have posted links and arguments from various sources.

You have contributed nothing and deliberately confuse criticism of Erdogan with "hatred of Turkey" which is childish.
You repeatedly called Turkey 'genocidal'. How is that a criticism of Erdogan's policies?

You obviously have a gripe with Turkey and are trying to find 'sources' from internet that paints Turkey in a negative light. I don't see you posting threads about dozens of other places in the world where people are persecuted, displaced and wronged.

What I find childish is your begging for 'constructive comments' on this thread? You came here and posted right and left lifting links from Youtube that are out of context, Twitter posts, questionable 'Turkish' journalists and you think real news start with Tweets? How about waiting until there is proper reporting before calling a country genocidal?
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Re: Azerbaijan conflict

so, I have in my team a guy from Karabach. he and his family (parents and brother /sister) fled to Germany in 2020 and got asylum because Karabach was "no state land" and in the mean time he became German citizen.
we've been talking about what is going on there for the last 3 months on weekly basis. I grow up during war in Croatia so let me be politically incorrect and say that young people from West Europe born around or after 1989 are not interessted in what is going on it the world. the same as Swiss TV, no news about anything.

few weeks ago, he said, his home where he grow up was destroyed and rest of his family needed to leave the area. on monday, accoding to his information from rest of this family there, they are now part of Turkey, not Armenia any more and Russia "plays" peace keeper. he just said to me "how will I explained to my son that we can't go any more to grampa's home; I have no more my homecountry".
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Re: Azerbaijan conflict

Being asked how much land the Spartans controlled, he said, "As much as they can reach with the spear."

Some 2500 years on this still holds true. A state has as much land as it can defend - international law, UN, NATO etc all well and good, but one has to defend and find the necessary allies. Think Israel, which is surrounded by several Azerbaijans.
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You repeatedly called Turkey 'genocidal'. How is that a criticism of Erdogan's policies?
This is a fact, not sure why you are so defensive about it. Turkey IS genocidal against Kurds now and WAS genocidal against Armenians in the past. These are clear facts. Erdogan's actions abroad are not meant to promote peace anywhere, on the contrary, they create chaos, disturbance and deaths. Mind you, Russia is the same, but for a change this particular conflict it actually wants to control and end peacefully as both countries are important to Putin for different reasons.
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Re: Azerbaijan conflict

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he just said to me "how will I explained to my son that we can't go any more to grampa's home; I have no more my homecountry".

he might just head over to https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/ and see how Turkish drones obliterate what used to be his home. He then proceeds to explain how air superiority is paramount on war scene and how Azeri were able to get said drones in sucht short period of time(two months?) and then why other NATO-countries, Germany included, dinndo anything about it.
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This is a fact, not sure why you are so defensive about it. Turkey IS genocidal against Kurds now and WAS genocidal against Armenians in the past. These are clear facts. Erdogan's actions abroad are not meant to promote peace anywhere, on the contrary, they create chaos, disturbance and deaths. Mind you, Russia is the same, but for a change this particular conflict it actually wants to control and end peacefully as both countries are important to Putin for different reasons.
The US congress passing resolutions affirming there was genocide does not make it fact. It remains contested and not universally acknowledged/accepted as fact. Moreover, even history is not truth as it is always an interpretation of a set of facts concerning events in the past and, sadly, often skewed by preexisting and partisan views.

Nevertheless, you can neither hold a nation-state accountable for genocide (and, in this case, the Turkish Republic did not even exist yet) nor indict an entire country/people as genocidal. Rather, you must charge individuals. Else, to do so is outrageous

Do we call Germans genocidal out of curiosity? Americans & Europeans for the genocide of Maori or Native Americans? Serbs? Aussies?

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The US congress passing resolutions affirming there was genocide does not make it fact.
No, it doesn't. But it's still a fact. You can educate yourself here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
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Old 12.11.2020, 15:14
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The US congress passing resolutions affirming there was genocide does not make it fact. It remains contested and not universally acknowledged/accepted as fact. Moreover, even history is not truth as it is always an interpretation of a set of facts concerning events in the past and, sadly, often skewed by preexisting and partisan views.

Nevertheless, you can neither hold a nation-state accountable for genocide (and, in this case, the Turkish Republic did not even exist yet) nor indict an entire country/people as genocidal. Rather, you must charge individuals. Else, to do so is outrageous

Do we call Germans genocidal out of curiosity? Americans & Europeans for the genocide of Maori or Native Americans? Serbs? Aussies?

Good grief, some of you need to step back from the liquor cabinet and focus on being safe rather than stirring nauseatingly irresponsible and jingoistic agendas
So do you deny that the Armenian Genocide happened?

Here are the countries, states, political and economic unions (incl the European Parliament) that recognize it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armeni...ary_committees
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No, it doesn't. But it's still a fact. You can educate yourself here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
Wikipedia is not a source of education anymore than US Congressional resolutions

In 100 years the 2003 Iraq invasion that resulted in nearly a million dead in Iraq will be portrayed in a number of ways - no one then will know for certainty anything and be at the mercy of available info. Hopefully it will be more reliable than Wikipedia or the US
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So do you deny that the Armenian Genocide happened?

Here are the countries, states, political and economic unions (incl the European Parliament) that recognize it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armeni...ary_committees
Everyone gets it you have an obsessive agenda with Turkey, none of the drivel you've been posting are facts - just you banging your drum
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In 100 years the 2003 Iraq invasion that resulted in nearly a million dead in Iraq will be portrayed in a number of ways - no one then will know for certainty anything and be at the mercy of available info.
This is a speculation that neither of us will be able to check. The Armenian genocide is a fact and I am not here to argue conspiracy theories.
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In 100 years the 2003 Iraq invasion that resulted in nearly a million dead in Iraq will be portrayed in a number of ways - no one then will know for certainty anything and be at the mercy of available info. Hopefully it will be more reliable than Wikipedia or the US
probably true, and the facts will emerge

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Everyone gets it you have an obsessive agenda with Turkey, none of the drivel you've been posting are facts - just you banging your drum
it seems you are in denial, now that's an agenda even a political ideology
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.....and then why other NATO-countries, Germany included, dinndo anything about it.
this is for me shame for Europe. they are all quite because there is no money in that part of the world....
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