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Old 06.10.2020, 09:58
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Azerbaijan conflict

Here are the links:

Erdogan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVrHU5WJkAo

Aliyev
https://twitter.com/presidentaz/stat...18307515318272

There has been limited and poor coverage of the conflict in the Caucasus in the news and when it is reported it is presented as a conflict over land.

Armenia is a democracy after years of corrupt leaders, surrounded by two countries lead by genocidal corrupt dictators who have internal issues so are playing international politics.

The EU, USA and the UK do and say nothing and let Erdogan export his aggression in Libya, Armenia, Syria and the Mediterranean. Only Macron has challenged Erdogan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/w...menia-war.html

Azerbaijan openly uses IS mercenary fighters and Turkish controlled drones to attack civilians and civilian infrastructure.
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Re: Azerbaijan and Erdogan call for completion of the Armenian Genocide

EU, USA and the UK bombed Serbia for Kosovo but quiet for Nagorno Karabakh Really feel sorry for Armenians!
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EU, USA and the UK bombed Serbia for Kosovo but quiet for Nagorno Karabakh Really feel sorry for Armenians!
Just to avoid confusion: do you think bombing Serbia was a good thing?
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Just to avoid confusion: do you think bombing Serbia was a good thing?

I was against bombing Serbia.
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Re: Azerbaijan and Erdogan call for completion of the Armenian Genocide

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Here are the links:

Erdogan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVrHU5WJkAo

Aliyev
https://twitter.com/presidentaz/stat...18307515318272

There has been limited and poor coverage of the conflict in the Caucasus in the news and when it is reported it is presented as a conflict over land.

Armenia is a democracy after years of corrupt leaders, surrounded by two countries lead by genocidal corrupt dictators who have internal issues so are playing international politics.

The EU, USA and the UK do and say nothing and let Erdogan export his aggression in Libya, Armenia, Syria and the Mediterranean. Only Macron has challenged Erdogan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/01/w...menia-war.html

Azerbaijan openly uses IS mercenary fighters and Turkish controlled drones to attack civilians and civilian infrastructure.

It's a dangerous game, sorry for Armenia and even the Azeri pawns, but I suspect that Erdoğan is just arranging as many pieces on the table as possible in order to gain leverage for future negotiations. Northern Syria, Libya, eastern Mediterranean gas, incursions in Greek and Chypriot territories, waves of refugees both at the land border with Greece and in Libya... and whatever else. The only clear thing to me is that Turkey's worsening financial situation will force him to negotiate. Unclear however if the Armenians and Azeris will be able to wind that down when Erdoğan abandons the latter.
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Re: Azerbaijan and Erdogan call for completion of the Armenian Genocide

EU tentacles....errr diplomatic organisms are acting since last July https://www.osce.org/parliamentary-assembly/457543 https://www.osce.org/minsk-group/465711

It is quite a coincidence that natural gas from Azerbaijan was expected to be pumped through the Southern Gas Corridor into the EU starting in October 2020. This pipeline is north of the conflict zone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Gas_Corridor). The Baku-Ceyhan oil pipeline (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku%E...eyhan_pipeline) is also near the conflict zone.

So, it's in the interest of the EU that the conflict de-escalates. Also relevant, the only nation upset with the EU having a pipeline delivering natural gas not coming from and passing through Russia is Russia.
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Re: Azerbaijan and Erdogan call for completion of the Armenian Genocide

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It's a dangerous game, sorry for Armenia and even the Azeri pawns, but I suspect that Erdoğan is just arranging as many pieces on the table as possible in order to gain leverage for future negotiations. Northern Syria, Libya, eastern Mediterranean gas, incursions in Greek and Chypriot territories, waves of refugees both at the land border with Greece and in Libya... and whatever else. The only clear thing to me is that Turkey's worsening financial situation will force him to negotiate. Unclear however if the Armenians and Azeris will be able to wind that down when Erdoğan abandons the latter.
Thanks, agreed to a certain extent, except that Aliyev has been siphoning off billions from oil money and he openly calls for the massacre of Armenians. He has recruited IS jihadists previously fighting in Syria and is using Turkish controlled drones to attack civilians
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is using Turkish controlled drones to attack civilians

In the MSM news they said that the drones were supplied by Israel
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Re: Azerbaijan and Erdogan call for completion of the Armenian Genocide

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EU tentacles....errr diplomatic organisms are acting since last July https://www.osce.org/parliamentary-assembly/457543 https://www.osce.org/minsk-group/465711

It is quite a coincidence that natural gas from Azerbaijan was expected to be pumped through the Southern Gas Corridor into the EU starting in October 2020. This pipeline is north of the conflict zone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Gas_Corridor). The Baku-Ceyhan oil pipeline (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku%E...eyhan_pipeline) is also near the conflict zone.

So, it's in the interest of the EU that the conflict de-escalates. Also relevant, the only nation upset with the EU having a pipeline delivering natural gas not coming from and passing through Russia is Russia.

The OSCE is not the EU. Its an organization that includes Turkey, Russia and the former Soviet Republics (as well as the US and Canada). They are based in Vienna and their job is peace keeping and building up countries after conflicts, for example in the Balkans.



In short: it is the perfect international organization to help deescalate the conflict with diplomatic means.
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Old 06.10.2020, 11:05
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The OSCE is not the EU. Its an organization that includes Turkey, Russia and the former Soviet Republics (as well as the US and Canada). They are based in Vienna and their job is peace keeping and building up countries after conflicts, for example in the Balkans.

In short: it is the perfect international organization to help deescalate the conflict with diplomatic means.

My mistake, not an expert at all in this. Well, the point is there's an effort to de-escalate the conflict. Hope it works.
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In the MSM news they said that the drones were supplied by Israel
Turkey has been buying advanced arms from Israel since long time.
Turkey has also successfully used their own domestic drones' capabilities in real battlefields of Syria and Libya.
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Re: Azerbaijan and Erdogan call for completion of the Armenian Genocide

There's a silver lining to all this mess if Erdogan and Putin enter into an armed conflict with each other
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Re: Azerbaijan and Erdogan call for completion of the Armenian Genocide

In Benings and Geneve there were orphanages organized by Antony Krafft-Bonnard and founded by Swiss philanthropists for the Armenian orphans after massacres of Armenians in the Ottoman empire.

http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/02.07.2009.php

(one can read a few articles after free email registration)
https://www.tdg.ch/suisse/begnins-vi...story/27926186
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There's a silver lining to all this mess if Erdogan and Putin enter into an armed conflict with each other
We get to see whether article 5 of NATO is valid? Where do you see the silver lining in that?
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We get to see whether article 5 of NATO is valid? Where do you see the silver lining in that?
This is clearly not valid. It's aggression against a member country, not aggression against it's soldiers out of the country. Did you see any joint NATO forces invoking the article and invading Syria when Turkish troops got killed?
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There's a silver lining to all this mess if Erdogan and Putin enter into an armed conflict with each other
Yeah, 'cos that would make the world a much safer more secure place to live, right?
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Yeah, 'cos that would make the world a much safer more secure place to live, right?
Yes. When two bad guys fight each other, they have no time to fight with the good guys.
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Yes. When two bad guys fight each other, they have no time to fight with the good guys.
Not only that, Erdogan would loose, I think Turkey deserves a proper democracy.
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Re: Azerbaijan and Erdogan call for completion of the Armenian Genocide

This is Turkey’s war:
  • Turkish drones
  • Turkish weapons
  • Turkish jihadists
  • Turkish leadership
  • Turkish command
  • Turkish electronic warfare
  • Turkish command even on ground over emergency services.
  • Turkish planes flying back and forth.
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This is Turkey’s war:
  • Turkish drones
  • Turkish weapons
  • Turkish jihadists
  • Turkish leadership
  • Turkish command
  • Turkish electronic warfare
  • Turkish command even on ground over emergency services.
  • Turkish planes flying back and forth.
How many of those drones and (other) weapons were sold to them by Russia, the US, the EU?
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