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Old 30.11.2020, 16:06
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

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Calling groups of people terrorists is an easy way to dehumanize people with a different opinion.
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A bit like "trolls" then, I take it.
Indeed, trolls do that too.
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

I don't think he was a terrorist, but he did work for what is, by any objective standards, a pretty nasty regime that you probably don't want to have nuclear capability.

There's no reason why someone can't be an academic, a scientist, a nuclear physicist (with or without children) and a terrorist.
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I don't think he was a terrorist, but he did work for what is, by any objective standards, a pretty nasty regime that you probably don't want to have nuclear capability.

There's no reason why someone can't be an academic, a scientist, a nuclear physicist (with or without children) and a terrorist.
I thought people working for nasty regimes don't really have a choice (i.e. but to work for said nasty regimes)?

That being said, I don't know the truth, but I know the EFers are always right.....
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Old 30.11.2020, 21:56
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

The Brigadier General was buried today with full military honors.

He was protected by an armed guard in several cars, his car was apparently armored, as innocent civilians often are.

Iran is claiming that an Israeli, satellite controlled automatic weapon was used.

Such a claim will likely lead to increased sales of Israeli weapons & increased concern of other "scientists" who may have to slum it with less impresive security detail.

In other news: Iran is still holding UK citizen hostage. The Australian hostage was released last week in exchange for Iranian assasins. She must be grateful for getting out just in time.
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I thought people working for nasty regimes don't really have a choice (i.e. but to work for said nasty regimes)?
Given his history and the rank he's achieved, I doubt he was unwilling.

Of course, he may have been a Mossad spy, actively sabotaging the nuclear plans of Iran, and then he was uncovered and it was made to look like it was the Israelis wot dun it.

I don't approve of assassinations (although they do have a certain cold logic), but nor do I approve of a state that routinely tortures and "disappears" anyone they don't like, and is seeking to build nuclear weaponry. Nor one that supplies weaponry to certain terrorist groups.
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Old 01.12.2020, 11:22
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Given his history and the rank he's achieved, I doubt he was unwilling.

Of course, he may have been a Mossad spy, actively sabotaging the nuclear plans of Iran, and then he was uncovered and it was made to look like it was the Israelis wot dun it.

I don't approve of assassinations (although they do have a certain cold logic), but nor do I approve of a state that routinely tortures and "disappears" anyone they don't like..
Yes. My thoughts go out to them and their loved ones who have to deal with their loss and their destroyed lives.
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

I do feel a bit sorry for his bodyguard who tried to take the bullets for him.
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Old 01.12.2020, 17:21
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Newspapers are claiming he was killed using a remotely operated machine gun, like something out of a sci-fi movie

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Pity I'm not.

Anyway, Iran should have been nuked after taking the US embassy employees hostage back in '79, inhuman scum.

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This is a new low for you, Tom. The fact this is posted without a shred of awareness about the USA's activities in the world says it all.
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Old 01.12.2020, 18:57
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

Part of the truth is that in principle a lot of Iranians would probably get rid of their politicians (and all the religious zealots around them) rather sooner than later.


The other part is that they still love their country and attacking their politicians is really not helpful there.


I also don't believe the world will get safer once Iran has a nuclear bomb (whether it can be mounted on an ICBM or not). That is not how things work, unfortunately.
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Old 01.12.2020, 20:06
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This is a new low for you, Tom. The fact this is posted without a shred of awareness about the USA's activities in the world says it all.
Yes, it would have killed a lot of innocents - which is why even the USA didn't do it - but sand turned to glass isn't terribly effective at generating terrorists.
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Old 01.12.2020, 20:07
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I don't think he was a terrorist, but he did work for what is, by any objective standards, a pretty nasty regime that you probably don't want to have nuclear capability.

There's no reason why someone can't be an academic, a scientist, a nuclear physicist (with or without children) and a terrorist.
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Old 01.12.2020, 22:44
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Part of the truth is that in principle a lot of Iranians would probably get rid of their politicians (and all the religious zealots around them) rather sooner than later.


The other part is that they still love their country and attacking their politicians is really not helpful there.


I also don't believe the world will get safer once Iran has a nuclear bomb (whether it can be mounted on an ICBM or not). That is not how things work, unfortunately.
I don't think it would be safer either, but is it safer with Pakistan and India for instance having nuclear weapons? Just asking, I want to see the Western logic behind it all. It's hard to convince people who, as you said, "love their country", to not notice the double standards.
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Old 02.12.2020, 10:43
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I don't think it would be safer either, but is it safer with Pakistan and India for instance having nuclear weapons?
As a basic principle the more countries that have nuclear weapons, the less safe the world is. Maybe Iran is safer than Pakistan or India. But that's irrelevant. And as far as I'm aware, the leaders of Pakistan and India have never called for the destruction of another country (except possibly each other).
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As a basic principle the more countries that have nuclear weapons, the less safe the world is. Maybe Iran is safer than Pakistan or India. But that's irrelevant. And as far as I'm aware, the leaders of Pakistan and India have never called for the destruction of another country (except possibly each other).
On the other hand the world has never been more at peace with no major conflict for such a long time since the advent of the atom bomb, it seems that there is some weird logic behind the MAD doctrine.
Think about it, humans are way too bloody minded to sort their affairs out in a peaceful manner, it always needs some higher power to do this and seeing that god is coming up short these days the threat of having your country turned into a glass parking lot is the next best thing.
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I don't think it would be safer either, but is it safer with Pakistan and India for instance having nuclear weapons? Just asking, I want to see the Western logic behind it all. It's hard to convince people who, as you said, "love their country", to not notice the double standards.
I doubt the World is safer with Pakistan having a nuke , but I am convinced that if those Dutch, Belgian and French 'scientists' who sold nuclear tech to Pakistan under the table were preemptively and timely wacked we would not have to ponder the nuclear Pakistans today. So yes , extrajudicial killings are justified and sometimes necessary. It is amazing how much good could be accomplished by eliminating just a few bad actors.
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I doubt the World is safer with Pakistan having a nuke , but I am convinced that if those Dutch, Belgian and French 'scientists' who sold nuclear tech to Pakistan under the table were preemptively and timely wacked we would not have to ponder the nuclear Pakistans today. So yes , extrajudicial killings are justified and sometimes necessary. It is amazing how much good could be accomplished by eliminating just a few bad actors.
So, with the way you look at the world, the KGB should have got into the U.S. and gunned down a professor of physics at UC, Berkley, namely J.Robert Oppenheimer?
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So, with the way you look at the world, the KGB should have got into the U.S. and gunned down a professor of physics at UC, Berkley, namely J.Robert Oppenheimer?
Do we know they didn't try?
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So, with the way you look at the world, the KGB should have got into the U.S. and gunned down a professor of physics at UC, Berkley, namely J.Robert Oppenheimer?
They launched a Twitter campaign instead that effectively discredited him.
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