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I don't think it would be safer either, but is it safer with Pakistan and India for instance having nuclear weapons? Just asking, I want to see the Western logic behind it all. It's hard to convince people who, as you said, "love their country", to not notice the double standards.
Especially that double standard of western countries who are the only ones who have attacked others, most of the time nowhere near their own borders unlike Iran who have not initiated any wars
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I am more than happy to have a reasonable dicussion - just don't give me this condescending, disappointed tone.
Maybe refrain from intentionally misinterpreting and hyperbole'ing then.
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Iraq and Libya were Brutal dictatorships. Iran & North Korea still are. Iran has many times declared it's genocidal intentions.

The U.S is still the superpower which protects the WEIRD (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich & Democratic) countries.

Having a nuclear weapon helps dictators to stay in power but it keeps their subjects in misery.
I wonder if it is not the subjects themselves who created all those backwards regimes either by their complacency or active participation. Backward mentality helped in all cases. We like to pretend that Stalin, Putin, Saddam, Mugabe are some sort of outliers and aberrations from otherwise really modern and progressive people they have happened to rule. I don't believe this for a second. I see that in all cases it is the majority of people who supports these monsters or at least tacitly agrees with them
Has there been a case when dictator was deposed and piece and prosperity took hold instead?

P.S. BTW, the war in Syria has everything to do with 'Great Satan'. The diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks almost 10 years ago clearly showed concerted effort by US state dept. to undermine and sabotage Syrian economy for no other reason than destroying Assad by causing hardship & unrest and kicking Russia out of Syria and Mediterranean.

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Especially that double standard of western countries who are the only ones who have attacked others, most of the time nowhere near their own borders unlike Iran who have not initiated any wars
Yemen
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Old 06.12.2020, 09:38
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Has there been a case when dictator was deposed and piece and prosperity took hold instead?
Romania, for one with the overthrow of Ceaușescu.


Mussolini, Italy (but that might not fit your narrative).
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Yemen
No war, try again

Even accusations of covert or militia backed instability comes from the usually reliable Saudia crown & their typical geopolitical partners
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Old 06.12.2020, 11:40
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Has there been a case when dictator was deposed and piece and prosperity took hold instead?
piece? Reminds me of TC

How about Trump in the US?

Definition "depose"; to remove from office or position, especially high office:

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Karl Dönitz, Germany
Vidkun Quisling, Norway
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Old 06.12.2020, 11:56
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Has there been a case when dictator was deposed and piece and prosperity took hold instead?
Germany 1945
Germany 1989
Most of Eastern Europe 1989
Japan 1945
Italy 1943/1945
Spain 1975
Chile 1988
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

This thread is not about the civil war in Syria. I opened a thread for that Subject.

The killing of a senior in the Iranian nuclear weapon is likely to slow down the program.

If Iran gets the bomb, other ME countries will try to get one - Saudi Arabia & Egypt, for example. Unstable countries having nuclear weapons is a scary scenrio which was narrowly avoided when the Soviet union collapsed.
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This thread is not about the civil war in Syria. I opened a thread for that Subject.

The killing of a senior in the Iranian nuclear weapon is likely to slow down the program.

If Iran gets the bomb, other ME countries will try to get one - Saudi Arabia & Egypt, for example. Unstable countries having nuclear weapons is a scary scenrio which was narrowly avoided when the Soviet union collapsed.
Perhaps they should all get the bomb, perhaps then unstable countries will become stable ones. Donīt forget the mantra of nuclear weapons: he who fires first dies second. I think that having the bomb will force governments to come to terms with the fact that they could be annihilated if they were ever to use them. That in itīs self opens the door to dialogue and agreement.
Donīt forget that despite all the jabs, pokes, scrapes and bangs there has been no major global conflict since 1945 and governments with nukes have followed a doctrine of de-escalation instead of aggression and conquest.
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Romania, for one with the overthrow of Ceaușescu.
Mussolini, Italy (but that might not fit your narrative).
What has changed?
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Old 06.12.2020, 13:47
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What has changed?
As an outsider (but I have worked in Romania), I would say that having their freedom is pretty important.

Prosperity has been slow though but hopefully that will improve with the recent change of government.

Maybe you ought to ask one of the Romanians on the forum?
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No war, try again

Even accusations of covert or militia backed instability comes from the usually reliable Saudia crown & their typical geopolitical partners
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Perhaps they should all get the bomb, perhaps then unstable countries will become stable ones.
The world came close to nuclear war several times plus a few nuclear accidents which were a close call.

The less nukes the better. that's the logic behind NPT. Iran is a signatory to the NPT, which gave it access to civilian nuclear knowledge but it cheated and developed nuclear weapons.

The Western extreme left switched from no nukes of the 1960s-1980s to Nukes to all. Interesting U-Turn.
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Perhaps they should all get the bomb, perhaps then unstable countries will become stable ones. Donīt forget the mantra of nuclear weapons: he who fires first dies second. I think that having the bomb will force governments to come to terms with the fact that they could be annihilated if they were ever to use them. That in itīs self opens the door to dialogue and agreement.
Donīt forget that despite all the jabs, pokes, scrapes and bangs there has been no major global conflict since 1945 and governments with nukes have followed a doctrine of de-escalation instead of aggression and conquest.
This only works as long as all involved are driven by the desire to survive.

However that doesn't apply to lunatics like ISIS, once destruction is actually an aim rather than a threat they may use them no matter what.
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Yes, lunatics and accidental use are the main reasons why we cannot accept proliferation beyond the (too many) countries that have nuclear weapons. The risk of accidental use in my view is also higher in countries without democratic traditions or a military that sees itself as a servant of the public rather than its governor.
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The world came close to nuclear war several times plus a few nuclear accidents which were a close call.

The less nukes the better. that's the logic behind NPT. Iran is a signatory to the NPT, which gave it access to civilian nuclear knowledge but it cheated and developed nuclear weapons.

The Western extreme left switched from no nukes of the 1960s-1980s to Nukes to all. Interesting U-Turn.
Like the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq which we were promised?
Iran was poised to be a customer of the west, happy to buy boeings and airbusses and Siemens turbines, but on an equal footing. Without the US sanctions Iran would have gone down another nuclear road and become a country that could build a bomb but didnīt, like Germany, the Scandinavian countries, Brazil, South Africa etc.
Now that the Americans have scrapped the treaty Iran could well build a bomb as it seems to be the only thing that can keep America from meddling in a countries internal affairs.
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Like the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq which we were promised?
Iran was poised to be a customer of the west, happy to buy boeings and airbusses and Siemens turbines, but on an equal footing. Without the US sanctions Iran would have gone down another nuclear road and become a country that could build a bomb but didnīt, like Germany, the Scandinavian countries, Brazil, South Africa etc.
Now that the Americans have scrapped the treaty Iran could well build a bomb as it seems to be the only thing that can keep America from meddling in a countries internal affairs.
I'm talking about the Berlin and Cuba crises as well as the times when nuclear armed bombers, submarines and ICBMs had accidents. This happened to well organised superpowers, yet you think giving much less developed countries access to nuclear weapons would increase stability?

The sanctions were, reluctantly, imposed when Iran was first discovered to cheat and develop nuclear weapons. The 2015 has serious flaws. For example, it allows Iran to develop such weapons in 10 years (the sunset clause).

Imagining Iran would choose not too is dangerous Naivity.
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

Interesting claim from a senior Iranian officer : Fakhrizadeh was killed by a gun which is:

1. satellite-controlled
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2. artificial intelligence.
and
3. so accurate it focused on the target so that his wife, 25cm away, was unharmed.
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4. Is Israeli made (how can they tell - by the barcode ?)

Sounds handy. The other Iranian "scientists" must be wearing masks 24*7 now.

Iran's defense minister said that Fahrizadeh focused on the "Nuclear Defense" field. What kind of defense is nuclear defense ? a defense against longevity ?
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Iran's defense minister said that Fahrizadeh focused on the "Nuclear Defense" field. What kind of defense is nuclear defense ? a defense against longevity ?
The same kind of defence that Israel employs?
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