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Old 08.12.2020, 16:35
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

There are still people on Iran who are brave and have a sense of Humor



They probably got the flag from one of the flag-burning "spontaneous" demos
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Old 08.12.2020, 18:56
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There's actually a small, but vibrant cottage industry in Iran producing US and Israeli flags specifically for burning.
In article about one flag maker:

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The factory’s owner, like many middle-class Iranians, holds out hopes for better relations between Tehran and the U.S.

“I hope there is a day that the flags we produce are presented as a gift,” factory owner Abolfazl Khanjani told The Associated Press.
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There's actually a small, but vibrant cottage industry in Iran producing US and Israeli flags specifically for burning.
Can't blame 'em
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

Similarly, I always hope for the best with the US, particularly when it comes to their foreign policy of perpetuating instability - but regularly disappointed

With Israel, there is no hope - they regularly collude with the most despotic leaders on the planet dating back to even apartheid South Africa. Peace is not the objective of their government

When Iran can suffocate the entirety of the US population through sanctions, wars and economic exclusion for decades then you could claim there is no high ground but it is not apples to apples. The theme is a familiar one, oppressor vs victims
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Old 10.12.2020, 09:59
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Exactly. Those who ask stupid questions such as "what has changed" are either imbeciles or are trolling. I'm going with the latter.
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Old 10.12.2020, 10:31
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I think, I hope, what he meant was that it's never a peaceful transition. Sort of like squeezing a big, nasty pimple; in the end you have clear, smooth skin, but before that you have a swollen, nasty red bump
Yeah, we can only hope he meant that way. Anyways. Judging by what happens in well established democracies atm one can never take anything for granted....
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Old 11.12.2020, 15:46
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

Iran chose a violent confrontation with the west (attacking shipping, taking hostages, supporting terrorism in Europe, Asia & the Americas) as well as cheating and developing nuclear weapons. The Sanctions are a mild reaction, considering.

Giving up the nuclear weapons program would benefit the Iranian nation, but then the regime would have to explain the damage it inflicted in order to build a bomb.

There are plenty of educated, reasonable people in Iran (some of it's universities are world class) - it has a very good chance to become a successful country if the regime changes (see North Korea vs. South Korea). That's the reason the regime imprisons, tortures and kills them.

There a plenty of people who support the regime (i.E the factory owner).

Most Iran experts don't foresee a peaceful transition from the latter to the former (I hope they are wrong), and an external intervention is, thankfully, not in the cards - bottom line: Iran must not get the bomb.
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Old 11.12.2020, 19:30
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Iran chose a violent confrontation with the west (attacking shipping, taking hostages, supporting terrorism in Europe, Asia & the Americas) as well as cheating and developing nuclear weapons. The Sanctions are a mild reaction, considering.
Actually, Iran attacked only after the US interfered with their internal affairs in the gravest way by installing their Shah puppet.
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Old 11.12.2020, 19:57
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I think, I hope, what he meant was that it's never a peaceful transition. Sort of like squeezing a big, nasty pimple; in the end you have clear, smooth skin, but before that you have a swollen, nasty red bump
If there's a power vacuum. Obviously. Multiple groups will fight for the power, and in the absence of a strong stabiliser that's hardly ever a peaceful event.

However if the military remains united under one command it can act as a stabilising power independent from civil institutions, and smoothen the transition.

Turkey for instance saw multiple coups since Atatürk, but each time the military acted as stabiliser (IIRC also as the interim regime) and power was handed back to civilian powers after a phase of stabilisation. Egypt as well, and Thailand, I believe. In some ways Greece after WW2 as well. Even France after WW2, De Gaulle was an army general (among other things) after all and, if memory serves, was asked for support in the overthrow of the 4th Republic's government (or something similar).

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Old 11.12.2020, 20:33
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I'm wondering who are you arguing with as nobody in this thread said "Iran should get the Bomb"
I think his point is that this objective justifies the killing of guys like Fakhrizadeh. Whereas many here apparently don't think it does. I tend to agree with Pashosh on this point.
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Old 11.12.2020, 20:55
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The problem is that no serious nuclear bomb program, such as the Iranian one, relies on one single person. The knowledge, infrastructure and span are by now too wide and deep to be stopped with the killing of one single person. The Israelis know that.

In my view, the killing had a much more sinister objective: provoke Iran to do something stupid in order to further limit the options of Biden to enter in some sort of negotiation. This is why, I personally and not that it matters the least, do not approve of it. I firmly believe that the best way to stop the program is engage Iran by which it will be offered enough so as to have something to lose while at the same time get the inspectors back in order to verify compliance. Right now, Iran is being pushed almost to the point where it has nothing to lose, which is never a good place to be. Israel is playing a dangerously sinister game.
Quite possible. From an Israeli perspective also not irrational. And yes, it does not depend on one single person, but it will certainly not help and also sends a signal that no one who works on the nuclear program is safe.

The lack of a meaningful Iranian reaction - same as with Soleimani - suggests to me that they are weak and have enormous internal problems (embargo, oil price, Covid), and possibly feel that starting a fight with Israel and/or the US will only get them into more internal problems.
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Old 12.12.2020, 12:23
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Iran chose a violent confrontation with the west (attacking shipping, taking hostages, supporting terrorism in Europe, Asia & the Americas) as well as cheating and developing nuclear weapons. The Sanctions are a mild reaction, considering.

Giving up the nuclear weapons program would benefit the Iranian nation, but then the regime would have to explain the damage it inflicted in order to build a bomb.

There are plenty of educated, reasonable people in Iran (some of it's universities are world class) - it has a very good chance to become a successful country if the regime changes (see North Korea vs. South Korea). That's the reason the regime imprisons, tortures and kills them.

There a plenty of people who support the regime (i.E the factory owner).

Most Iran experts don't foresee a peaceful transition from the latter to the former (I hope they are wrong), and an external intervention is, thankfully, not in the cards - bottom line: Iran must not get the bomb.
Quite recently actually. One of the main news this morning, how sad.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters...media/46219946

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Quite recently actually. One of the main news this morning, how sad.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters...media/46219946
One man´s freedom fighter is another man´s US, French and Israeli backed terrorist. At the end of the day it seems the poor guy was just another pawn in the great game.
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/455...h-Zam-executed
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

Killing the well protected head of the nuclear program without harming his family is likely to impact the nucellar program:
1. Loss of organizational memory.
2. Loss of well established connection to the government.
3. Sends a clear signal to lower ranks that they are vulnerable - impact on Morale and will make recruiting them to western intelligence agencies easier.

These make Iran's negotiation position weaker, increasing the possibility of a better deal leading to nuclear disarmament.

In the last 4 years Iran attacked western shipping, took western hostages, shot down civilian aircraft & attacked on Saudi oil fields. This helped build an anti Iran coalition, strengthening Gulf states militaries & promoted peace between Israel and Sunni states. Hardly a cool headed, constructive Iranian policy.
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Quite recently actually. One of the main news this morning, how sad.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters...media/46219946
Makes the Khasshogi case seem mild, in comparison.
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Makes the Khasshogi case seem mild, in comparison.
Uh, no.
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Old 12.12.2020, 19:14
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Uh, no.
Khashoggi was murdered in a Saudi embassy. Saudi tried to cover it up.

Zam was tricked into traveling to Iraq, kidnapped, tortured and Iran announced his hanging for made up offences.

I'll be very surprised if this killing will get as much attention as Khashoggi's.
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I'll be very surprised if this killing will get as much attention as Khashoggi's.
Contrary to Kashoggi he didn't work for the WaPo...
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

May be Israel is in a long game. May be they think any action that would slow down the development of nuclear weapon by Iran is good for Israel as eventually mullahs will die out and new generation would hopefully bring on positive changes in Iran. May be Iran would abandon nuclear weapon plans when it finally comes to its senses.
It is really a shame what islam has done to Iran over centuries. Once the enlightened nation producing science, literature and philosophy now looks just like any other Whateverstan.
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Re: Nuclear Scientist killed in Iran.

Sadly,I cant comment regarding the anti israeli and anti semithic post on this thread,because the moderatoirs have clearly taken sides.....
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