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marton · #**241** 22.01.2021, 12:30

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Wow, the route may be different but the destination is always the same. You got there in two moves, a new record? Taking up a non-partisan position is not an easy thing to do, you should try it. The sometimes understandable, but mainly irrational hatred of President Trump has blinded so many people from being able to think critically. And also from being able to remain nice people.

How then do you explain the poor quality of the EF posts supporting Trump versus the high quality of the opposite views?

Anyway back to the topic, Biden's DOJ must confront what to do with outstanding cases in which it is defending Trump. Biden should not interfere due to the separation of powers but since Trump is no longer President then probably the DOJ justification has evaporated.

Pancakes · #**242** 22.01.2021, 15:13

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Taking up a non-partisan position is not an easy thing to do, you should try it. The sometimes understandable, but mainly irrational hatred of President Trump has blinded so many people from being able to think critically. And also from being able to remain nice people.

People's dislike of Trump has nothing do with being partisan but has everything to do with not wanting a President who consistently lies and distorts the truth and refuses to take accountability. Not to mention constantly blame-shifting, displaying a complete lack of empathy and trying to bully anyone who disagrees with him.

The fact that you're unable to understand that is mind-boggling.

TonyClifton · #**243** 22.01.2021, 16:33

	Quote:	Pancakes
	People's dislike of Trump has nothing do with being partisan but has everything to do with not wanting a President who consistently lies and distorts the truth and refuses to take accountability. Not to mention constantly blame-shifting, displaying a complete lack of empathy and trying to bully anyone who disagrees with him. The fact that you're unable to understand that is mind-boggling.

I don't really understand the point you've made, but it doesn't seem to relate to mine. You can believe all those things whilst also remaining objective and seeing the wider picture. All it's taken is a monster to point at for people to become the monsters themselves.

Looking forward to the next four years of CNN holding power to account

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/21/m...ion/index.html

#**244** 22.01.2021, 17:24

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I don't really understand the point you've made, but it doesn't seem to relate to mine. You can believe all those things whilst also remaining objective and seeing the wider picture. All it's taken is a monster to point at for people to become the monsters themselves. Looking forward to the next four years of CNN holding power to account https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/21/m...ion/index.html

Yes, Tony, you keep up the good fight! Be strong, it's going to get lonely.

FrankZappa · #**245** 22.01.2021, 17:53

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greenmount · #**246** 22.01.2021, 17:57

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Taking up a non-partisan position is not an easy thing to do, you should try it. The sometimes understandable, but mainly irrational hatred of President Trump has blinded so many people from being able to think critically. And also from being able to remain nice people.

Funny you say that.
If I look only here and I think I can compare it with what some users appeared to be years ago, Trump supporters revealed very ugly facets of their personalities.

marton · #**247** 22.01.2021, 19:58

Not really into cancel culture but how else to deal with people who are so dumb to publically tweet they broke the rules.

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	Paypal on Thursday took down the account of Jenna Ryan, a Texas woman who reportedly flew a private plane to the Capitol riot after she claimed she raised $1,000 for legal fees and other losses due to her arrest. “PayPal has the policy to allow fundraising for legal defense purposes," Eichorn, Paypal spokesperson, said. “PayPal thoroughly reviews accounts, and if we learn that funds are used for anything other than legal defense, the account will be subject to immediate closure."

Another example is in two days Biden seems to have destroyed more of Trump's legacy than Trump managed to destroy of Obama's in four years.
Of course, Trump was lazy and wrote a lot of executive orders which can be reversed by the next guy with a stroke of the pen instead of Trump taking the harder and more permanent solution of Congressional votes. In his first two years, he had both House and Senate majorities so he could have legislated much more.

I am not really in favour of a policy where Presidents simply reverse the legacy of a previous President but in this case, I have not seen any of the reversals by Biden that I am strongly against.

RufusB · #**248** 22.01.2021, 20:28

	Quote:	Pancakes
	People's dislike of Trump has nothing do with being partisan but has everything to do with not wanting a President who consistently lies and distorts the truth and refuses to take accountability. Not to mention constantly blame-shifting, displaying a complete lack of empathy and trying to bully anyone who disagrees with him. The fact that you're unable to understand that is mind-boggling.

Agreed. I'm not particularly a Biden fan but he is so much better than the unhinged last bloke.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I don't really understand the point you've made, but it doesn't seem to relate to mine. You can believe all those things whilst also remaining objective and seeing the wider picture. All it's taken is a monster to point at for people to become the monsters themselves. Looking forward to the next four years of CNN holding power to account https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/21/m...ion/index.html

Pancake's post does directly link to yours, however it disagrees with your main point which is, I suspect, causing your misunderstanding.

Which news outlet do you prefer?

	Quote:	greenmount
	Funny you say that. If I look only here and I think I can compare it with what some users appeared to be years ago, Trump supporters revealed very ugly facets of their personalities.

Yup. And as soon as you hold a mirror up... nastiness and bile gushes out.

st2lemans · #**249** 22.01.2021, 20:58

	Quote:	marton
	I am not really in favour of a policy where Presidents simply reverse the legacy of a previous President but in this case, I have not seen any of the reversals by Biden that I am strongly against.

I'm against at least half of them, but hardly all.

Tom

marton · #**250** 22.01.2021, 22:13

As they say, for the truth follow the money.

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	Former President Trump’s campaign had paid out more than $2.7 million to several individuals and firms listed on the event permit granted by the National Parks Service (NPS) for the Jan. 6 rally in Washington that devolved into a violent insurrection at the Capitol. Federal Election Commission filings show that the former president’s reelection campaign made payments to several of those individuals through Nov. 23, the most recent day for which financial disclosures are available. The largest recipient of payments from the Trump campaign was Event Strategies Inc., which received more than $1.7 million from the campaign and the former president’s joint fundraising committee. That firm is owned by Justin Caporale, the Trump campaign’s advance director, and his business partner Tim Unes, who are listed on the rally permit as the project manager and stage manager, respectively.

Island Monkey · #**251** 22.01.2021, 22:40

I don't think he'll be the greatest President ever, he's certainly no Obama..... but he's caring and empathetic and I think that's needed right now. Then maybe it'll be Kamala 2024

#**252** 23.01.2021, 08:37

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TonyClifton · #**253** 23.01.2021, 10:44

	Quote:
	Yes, Tony, you keep up the good fight! Be strong, it's going to get lonely.

Im already used to it, the center ground is already a lonely place, especially on this forum!

#**254** 23.01.2021, 10:52

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Im already used to it, the center ground is already a lonely place, especially on this forum!

Centre ground? You?

Chuff · #**255** 23.01.2021, 11:00

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Im already used to it, the center ground is already a lonely place, especially on this forum!

Center ground... BWAHAHAHAHAHA

TrollyClifton... now that sense has prevailed, Trump is out and this thread no longer has the same meaning that it did, you are turning into good comedy value.

olygirl · #**256** 23.01.2021, 11:02

Biden is going to lead with the support and knowledge of his team. Just by asking Amanda Gorman to present her outstanding poem on reconciliation and moving forward, Biden has touched almost every demographic in the United States, with the exception of white supremacy, of course.

I seriously hope Trump will be found guilty of illegal activities so he may never be allowed to represent America again.

TonyClifton · #**257** 23.01.2021, 11:05

	Quote:
	Centre ground? You?

Yup, many never Trumpers have never grasped how radical they’ve become, so blinded by the anger of their own self-righteousness.

olygirl · #**258** 23.01.2021, 11:06

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Im already used to it, the center ground is already a lonely place, especially on this forum!

Opposing views are great as long as they're not based on fairy tales.

olygirl · #**259** 23.01.2021, 11:07

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Yup, many never Trumpers have never grasped how radical they’ve become, so blinded by the anger of their own self-righteousness.

Sadly, I agree wholeheartedly.

Caleb · #**260** 23.01.2021, 11:49

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	blinded by the anger of their own self-righteousness.

I never thought of it as self-righteousness (or outright hatred, but rather more of a profound dislike...like how people feel about brussels sprouts, or Nickelback).

I think that the qualities that most people (including those of us with no affiliation to the US at all, therefore non-partisan) dislike about Donald Trump are related to his dishonesty, on display in his tax avoidance/evasion schemes, bullying business practices (withholding payment from suppliers and partners, and then tying them in lawsuits), systematic lying, insulting other political and public figures, etc. He's just a bad person, that's all.

Again, give those qualities to any person, and they will also be disliked.