I'm going to be optimistic. I like some of the cabinet nominations, and I think there will be reasonable attempts to control the pandemic. I don't really think he's terribly weak, either. He's been around for a long time.

And, I think Trump has been the worst president of my lifetime. So the bar isn't terribly high.

I think you don't understand what 'pandemic' means, thus you suggest it could be controlled by Mr. Biden or his appointees.
As far as the worst president of your lifetime: It was JWBush, so far.

How do you measure that?
Number of wars started? Sure.
Number of lives lost due to incompetence? I think the Donald has surpassed him...

My simple take would be: while I absolutely disagree with W in every way would I love to have a drink with him and tell him about it. With Trump not so much...

Didn't GWB quit booze at age 40 or so? Trump also doesn't drink. How boring. Buy yes, I see your point - W just seems to be a fun guy to hang out with and bullshit all day long. Maybe one could invite Comical Ali to make it even more fun?

I think Biden certainly does have a persona or personality. He was a very likeable and fun VP and he has a good sense of humor -- even making fun of himself and his own gaffes sometimes. I think one of the more endearing things about Biden is that he does come across as the type of person you could sit down with and have an enjoyable conversation with and laugh with. He's personable. And he doesn't appear to have an ego problem.

Hitler too.

Tom

Trump doesn't need to drink. He just naturally behaves like an irrational drunk.

What a good advert for drink.

how much lower are we going to put the bar to identify some positive personality traits?

He has heartbeat, the ultimate sign that he's going to be a good president?

Maybe he's a very nice person who has the unfortunate tendency to surround himself with and listen to very nasty people?

when Trump was elected, people were predicting he would surely be a second Hitler.

I have not heard one of those people retract those word or apologize, to this day.

So anything short of the 50 million that Hitler murdered should surely be held to Trump's credit?

Just about .

Realistically if the economy is going ok, and he's doing something on climate change that'd be good.

Yes he's boring, but we could be doing a whole lot worse than boring.

Wish I knew how to set up a poll. Maybe mods can assist here?

If he doesn't have an ego problem, that would mean that he genuinely believes that he is the best person to run the country. That's really scary.

Lately, yes. Not the presidents though, the PMs. The more controversial bile they spout, the more popular they are. So while everyone seems to be up in their arms when it comes to the USA, maybe they should look in their own backyard...

Trump doesn't need to drink as he has "uppers" - sniff sniff.

No No No!! Please do not drink with war criminals, no matter how endearing they may seem or how cute their retirement paintings are. Very sad that Trump was so bad he made us miss Bush Jr..

Remove the policies from the man and I believe history will judge Donald Trump to have been a very good President. Unfortunately policies are not enough, and Donald Trump's personality failings and paper thin skin blocked further progress.

And what policies do you mean?

Economic policy that saw record low unemployment, stock market record highs, the net worth of American rose nearly 30% under his Presidency. First Step act, reining back on the war on drugs, ensuring a conservative majority in the Supreme Court. Improving the situation in the Middle East where now four Arab nations have established diplomatic relations with Israel with more likely to follow (something John Kerry said wasn't possible).

There are many positive things that Donald Trump has achieved if one is able to look beyond the man. I think the longer time goes on, the more people will be able to see this.

Trump's economic policy only benefited the extremely wealthy and increased their net worth, therefore perhaps the 1 percent will look back at that positively. Now we have record unemployment and poverty coupled with one of the biggest stock market crashes in history during his presidency - sort of negates the false increase brought on by helping out the wealthiest in the US economy. A conservative majority in the Supreme Court can only be seen as a positive to conservatives - never mind that the last one was elected into the court undemocratically in the middle of an election, which the GOP had previously been openly against.

I am glad he did not get involved in more Middle East conflicts...although his decisions in Israel can hardly be applauded.

But yea... it is just Trump's personality that was wrong, right?