He really is destroying Trump's legacy with incredible speed.

Meanwhile LOL!
I expect if they win this one then they will look to be collecting money from some other well-known names.....
Could we see Trump filing for bankruptcy, again!

Finally, GOP is awkwardly straddling the fence. The attempt to fire Cheney from her role in the GOP House minority due to her voting to impeach Trump was heavily defeated in a secret vote.
On the same day, the attempt to fire Greene from her GOP House committee roles due to spreading Trump-supporting conspiracy theories also failed.

Edit: Possible final nail in the GOP coffin "the Capitol Police are investigating whether members of Congress gave “pre-riot building tours” on Jan. 5.".

Well if the lazy ass had spent less time on the golf course and more time on the job he could have embedded his legacy in legislation and that would have made it more difficult.

But he did luck good in front of his base signed them there executive orders and that is all he cared about - perception over substance.

Trump was labeled a dictator by the lieing MSM for using Executive Orders in the amounts he did whereas the same coming from Biden is called good leadership.

marton used to defend Obama's debt-making and driving indebtedness from 60% of GDP to 100% as necessitated by the 2008/09 financial crisis while he blames Trump for driving it even higher due to Covid.

Clinton should have been convicted like Trump should have been in 2019 but it's only the Reps who are to blame for playing party politics.

The Dems declared the election stolen in 2000 after the Supreme Court ruling on Florida, Pelosi did so in 2017. And she called all Republicans at the Capitol plus Trump enemies of the state while live on tv yet, according to EF, Trump and the GOP are the only ones to blame.

EF'ers blame Trump for the 5 dead January 6 but keep defending the BLM riots as completely peacefuly, and btw those violent thugs, looters, arsonists, and the killers didn't belong to BLM in the first place.

Those double standards are getting awfully tiresome - "I/we didn't do anything, and btw they started it".

And so on and on and on.

But of course Biden will unite the country.
The man who was instrumental in creating the US prison system and police standards as they exist today. The man who played a key role in creating what he pretends to fight today.

Biden, the man who held a eulogy at a former KKK's member's grave a decade ago and is lauded for it nowadays. Robert Byrd, the deceased, had founded a KKK chapter in the 40ies, recruited 250 members, left the KKK before joining politics in the 50ies yet was among those who tried to filibuster the civil rights act in 1964. Twenty years a racist always a racist I say, yet Biden miracoulously must have cured him post mortem.

Sigh.
"I/we didn't do anything, and anyway they started it"

And not in a good way.

Tom

And yet, here we are: Trump an exposed failure who will forever be a footnote in history as the only US president to be impeached twice (in addition to losing the popular vote heavily, twice, and being booted out after just one term), while Biden has the opportunity to shepherd in a long era of Democratic political dominance. Seems like that really smarts, eh, Urs?

Any way of destroying Trump's legacy, slow or fast, is a good way.

And I'm confident that Biden will go a lot further than Executive Orders, and will enshrine his changes in legislation. Unlike you-know-who.

I believe we are now witnessing a phenomenon known as "Biden Derangement Syndrome."

Don't like Biden? Sore that he won?

Bring up some shit from decades ago. Blame him for the actions of his adult son.

And meanwhile, continue to completely ignore and/or deny the many lies and wrongdoings of Trump over the past four years, including the fact that he instigated a violent attack on the Capitol building while lying and trying to overturn an election because he is incapable of admitting that he lost.

But hey! Biden and other lawmakers as well as the President of the National Association of Police Officers tried to be tough on crime back in the 90s when violent crime in the US was at an all-time high -- when people being killed in the streets due to gang violence and a "crack epidemic" was running rampant throughout the US. Coincidentally, those crime rates finally began to drop once The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act was passed.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Trump increased the US debt by $4 trillion before the Covid crisis even started, this was a higher $ annual increase than Obama's. Mostly due to his tax decrease that he claimed would pay for itself but it did not.

If I was in Congress I would not have voted to remove her then I could keep pointing at her as the "ugly face" of the new GOP.

Sure, the tax cut is a big reason. It's just, that's what he ran on and probably got elected for. It's like blaming Barry for the deficit increase due to Obamacare, a main campaign promise of his.
Wrong. Crime rates had peaked at around 1990/91, clearly before the Democrats got to present themselves as hard on crime, and far before they got the chance to get US in the fine mess they're in now. Not that it really mattered all that much though, since you just confirmed that the Democrats got the US in the mess Biden will pretend to solve.

Trump's revolving door reaches wider
Earthquake!

Back to topic

When Trump launched his first campaign for president in 2015, he committed to addressing the national debt: “Reduce our $18 trillion in debt, because, believe me, we’re in a bubble.”

Fixed that for you!

So much for Trump's claims about "Do nothing Democrats"...

On executive actions, Biden is blowing his predecessors out of the water
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/06/p...y-5/index.html
"CNN's Janie Boschma compared the executive actions of the last four presidents, and Biden has already issued an entire term's worth of executive actions in a few weeks."

Congress Clears Path For Biden’s $1.9 Trillion Relief Plan To Pass Without GOP Votes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladit...h=101224212e94

It's so nice to see some stuff finally getting done to actually help the country.

I'm not sure the $1.9 trillion plan is the panacea the Ds think it is. I think it's rushed and could be more targeted. I'm disappointed they haven't spent more time negotiating with the Rs to come up with something that has bipartisan support.

So much for coming together and kumbaya and all that.

Yeah, maybe, but once burned, twice shy. The House passed relief last year, and the senate sat on their asses for months.

And there are different ways to look at unity. Bipartisan support within congress is but a small part of this, but the measure has bipartisan support among voters. So who is more important here?

They are going to target the relief checks, I believe.

The person that I listen to in this is Janet Yellen.

Executive orders are not something to viewed positiviely, they are the actions of a dictator.

Also not his his unilateral mega-spending plan.

Tom

Indeed. Were they also dictatorial in 2017? Sometimes the only only way to deal with regressive policies is a bit of tit for tat. As for the spending plan....it seems that a majority of voters support this. As I said before, there are different ways to view unity.

Evidence from 2009 suggests that relief efforts did not go far enough to help recovery then. While no one can predict the future, if there is a time to risk a large spending plan, it is at the moment.

I was just listening to Senator Pat Toomey (retiring R from PA) suggest the magnitude of this effort was too large, because the economy is roaring back. Yeah maybe if you already have a job and money, but what if you’re facing eviction, food insecurity, unemployment is running out and your state has no resources to ramp up vaccine programs. It’s absurd that people in the US are facing food insecurity.

Tom, every US President has issued executive orders since George Washington, with the exception of William Henry Harrison; and that's only because Harrison died 31 days after taking office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

Secondly, there is currently a pandemic causing people to lose their jobs and their homes, not being able to feed their families or pay their medical insurance, etc. The relief package deal has been 'sitting on the table' for months and months, caught up in a deadlock in Congress. Biden is taking action because he realizes that what is most important is the American people and the need to finally get some aid to them. He doesn't want people to have to wait another six months while Congress tries to get its shit together.

You're rather unlikely to see me defend Trump, and definitely not that kind of nonsense. (assuming he made it, I'll take your word for it).

That said, and going back to what my post you replied to was really about, you'd need to compare Trump's promises on budget/debt to Obama's. I don't remember any campaign promises, but Barry did say shortly after his inauguration (i.e. when the financial crisis' severity was impossible to miss and the challenge was therefor rather small due to the predictably huge 2009 deficit) that he'd halve the budget deficit by the end of his first term. Yet Barry didn't fulfill it either.

As for Biden, he didn't need to make any promises as there was no campaign to begin with. But if you mention Trump's promise because you care about financial stability, and I'm fully with you in this regard, you should take note of Biden's $5'400'000'000'000 spending plan ($5.4 trln), and that's just the near term. He doesn't mention financing it, but given AOC's staunch support for Modern Monetary Theory which is just fancy speak for "let's print as much as we can, and then some, simply because for the time being we can", it seems fair to assume that the plan is to increase the federal debt even more, and on top of the "ordinary" budget deficit.

Being partisan is Ok (though not really laudable) in a discussion between private individuals. However the MSM claim to be the 4th and indispensable power without which a democracy can't work (and they couldn't be more right with that). The problem is that the MSM keep failing even on that de minimis standard, have been for years, and will for the foreseeable future. There's a reason why a witness's oath in a court of law goes " ... to tell the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth ..." (idealistic as the demand though is).

For instance, could you name a few things Trump did well, not necessarily from your own POV but the GOP's and what he campaigned on. Even someone who despises him should be able to mention a few positive points, nobody's *that* bad - could you? If you can't, is that because he did botched everything, as little as it was, or because ... everything else is reported on but this?