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Re: Will Biden be a good President?

I guess the word is more negative in the South dear Pancakes. I've lived in racially contentious places in the south (Memphis being the worst) & I'm positive I would be in big trouble if I ever called a black person a "negro". I witnessed many individuals call them that and the other "n" word, and it was always said in a very derogatory way.

I think we can agree that Biden meant no harm by using that word, but the President of the United States should know better than that.
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I see this happening so often -- where people are so quick to react and blow something out of proportion rather than taking the time to consider it or research it in order to understand the context. But I guess it's easier to react and accuse than it is to try to understand the context of something.

And in fact... That's precisely what you've just done with me, in your first comment that I've quoted here. You took something I wrote, in response to you, and completely inflated it into something else and took it out of context.

Cheers. I'm done with this conversation. I have shit to do.
In some languages negro means black. You can't replace or erase this word from vocabulary, that is madness. It is a colour. Even so, I know of a case when heavy accusations were launched because this word was used in a very trivial context. So there's absurdity (and ignorance, bloody hell, incredible ignorance), and there are contexts in which this is a derogatory term. imho
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Old 12.11.2021, 17:07
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"For extra credit: use the term colored as well."
NAACP, i.e. "The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People"

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Old 12.11.2021, 17:14
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I guess the word is more negative in the South dear Pancakes. I've lived in racially contentious places in the south (Memphis being the worst) & I'm positive I would be in big trouble if I ever called a black person a "negro". I witnessed many individuals call them that and the other "n" word, and it was always said in a very derogatory way.

I think we can agree that Biden meant no harm by using that word, but the President of the United States should know better than that.
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In some languages negro means black. You can't replace or erase this word from vocabulary, that is madness. It is a colour. Even so, I know of a case when heavy accusations were launched because this word was used in a very trivial context. So there's absurdity, and there are contexts in which this is a derogatory term. imho
Well, Biden's use of the word is clearly not intended as a racial slur or derogatory comment toward black people, so again, that is what is more important -- context and intention.

But clearly some people would rather focus on his use of the world alone and try to inflate that as being a racist comment or a sign of him being racist rather than considering the context, so that's my point.

Do I think it's a bit strange that he used that word instead of the word "black?" Yes. But that's coming from my own perceptions of what I consider 'normal.' Do I think it means that he's racist against black people? No. And that's why I think it's ridiculous that people are trying to inflate it into being something that it isn't. Above all else, I just see it as being an outdated term that is now primarily only used by older generations. It's a sign of his age more than anything.

I seriously need to go now. lol. :P
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Re: Will Biden be a good President?

Apologies, I didn't mean to upset you. Hope you have a nice weekend!

Here's more info on the subject that confirms exactly what you said about the elder American population, but how it is no longer socially acceptable:

https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/ji...10/october.htm
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NAACP, i.e. "The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People"

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The NAACP was established in 1909, not long after the n-word was the word du jour. I think the evolution goes something like this

The unspeakable word -> Colored ->Negro -> Black -> African American (currently) -> some trend now back to black or POC

I am not in the least bit offended if Biden says it, like I said, everyone knows what he meant. I just find it hilarious that he will be defended or excused where a republican would be crucified.
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Do I think it's a bit strange that he used that word instead of the word "black?" Yes. But that's coming from my own perceptions of what I consider 'normal.' Do I think it means that he's racist against black people? No. And that's why I think it's ridiculous that people are trying to inflate it into being something that it isn't. Above all else, I just see it as being an outdated term that is now primarily only used by older generations. It's a sign of his age more than anything.

I seriously need to go now. lol. :P
I totally get your point and I don't think Biden is racist.

But then probably neither Trump. He exploited some resentments against (illegal) immigrants but is he really a racist...hard to believe he truly cares about such things. He had other issues..I think. It's like knowing the mindset of a good percentage from the general electorate and trying to milk those sentiments to his benefit.
Which is the way to campaign these days but totally unacceptable if you ask me.
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Apologies, I didn't mean to upset you. Hope you have a nice weekend!

Here's more info on the subject that confirms exactly what you said about the elder American population, but how it is no longer socially acceptable:

https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/ji...10/october.htm
Thanks, hon! No worries at all! I hope you have a nice weekend, too!

That article you linked to is interesting -- how it describes the use of that word and how its connotation or interpretation has evolved over time.

"The turning point came when Stokely Carmichael coined the phrase black power at a 1966 rally in Mississippi. Until then, Negro was how most black Americans described themselves. But in Carmichael's speeches and in his landmark 1967 book, Black Power: The Politics of Liberation in America, he persuasively argued that the term implied black inferiority. Among black activists, Negro soon became shorthand for a member of the establishment. Prominent black publications like Ebony switched from Negro to black at the end of the decade, and the masses soon followed. According to a 1968 Newsweek poll, more than two-thirds of black Americans still preferred Negro, but black had become the majority preference by 1974. Both the Associated Press and the New York Times abandoned Negro in the 1970s, and by the mid-1980s, even the most hidebound institutions, like the U.S. Supreme Court, had largely stopped using Negro."

So basically it was a word that most black people once used to describe themselves and then came to associate it as being something derogatory. Part of me often feels uneasy about using the term "black people," actually, because I don't like the way it focuses on skin color and separating or labeling people according to skin color. Maybe someday we'll stop labeling people according to skin color and instead focus more on seeing one another as fellow human beings.
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Wait! Wait! At some point in the 70s, I recall black folks calling themselves spades. I'm so confused.
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The NAACP was established in 1909, not long after the n-word was the word du jour. I think the evolution goes something like this

The unspeakable word -> Colored ->Negro -> Black -> African American (currently) -> some trend now back to black or POC

I am not in the least bit offended if Biden says it, like I said, everyone knows what he meant. I just find it hilarious that he will be defended or excused where a republican would be crucified.
In the early '70s, a black family moved into our neighborhood (the first, the second was when we sold our house to a black family after buying my great-grandparents house).

Anyway, I was friends with several of the kids, and I once asked the mother which term she preferred that people use as most respectful, as with the constant changes I was quite confused, and she told me that she personally preferred "colored".

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Anyway, I was friends with several of the kids, and I once asked the mother which term she preferred that people use as most respectful, as with the constant changes I was quite confused, and she told me that she personally preferred "colored".
So called whites should be called colored. They turn red when burned by the sun. Later brown. And blue when cold.
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So called whites should be called colored. They turn red when burned by the sun. Later brown. And blue when cold.
Technically and as far as optical nerves (anyone's) are concerned, white is a color, black isn't. So obviously.
Then again, aaaartiiists "see" it the opposite. Go figure.

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Technically and as far as optical nerves (anyone's) are concerned, white is a color, black isn't. So obviously.
Then again, aaaartiiists "see" it the opposite. Go figure.

https://thehabitat.com/life/is-black...white-a-color/
My wife's father was a Swiss artist who favorite color was black, and you've never know that there were so many shades of black until you've seen one of his works!

(mostly oils, up to 2cm thick at points, though the one we have at home is only 1.5cm thick at the most)

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Technically and as far as optical nerves (anyone's) are concerned, white is a color, black isn't. So obviously.
Then again, aaaartiiists "see" it the opposite. Go figure.

https://thehabitat.com/life/is-black...white-a-color/
White is the combination of all colors in the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Black is the absence of those "colors" / wavelengths of light.

It's not only artists who perceive them as being opposites, though. They've been interpreted as symbols of opposite forces in the universe for thousands of years throughout human history (e.g. Taoism, "cosmic dualism"). Of course, though, that doesn't mean that they are opposing forces. But in many respects, they are opposites, as are light and dark.

When it comes to melanin production in humans, though, of course that really doesn't have much significance (if any). But leave it to humans to attribute significance when there is none. "As humans, we tend to try to find meaning in the meaningless."
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Sure, really helping Trump by delivering the infrastructure he promised but never got close to delivering.
The Dems wouldn't have gotten it through without GOP help. The Dems OTOH didn't even dream of cooperating with the GOP under Trump, there's no reasoning with ideologues.

Yet it's a surefire bet that with the next occasion the Reps will yet again be blamed by the Dems and the MSM. If all else fails there's always gerrymandering.
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The Dems wouldn't have gotten it through without GOP help. The Dems OTOH didn't even dream of cooperating with the GOP under Trump, there's no reasoning with ideologues.

Yet it's a surefire bet that with the next occasion the Reps will yet again be blamed by the Dems and the MSM. If all else fails there's always gerrymandering.
The Dems overwhelmingly supported and voted for Trump's;
  • Pandemic aid bill
  • $2 trillion economic stimulus package in response to the coronavirus pandemic
  • Providing assistance to people affected by the coronavirus
  • United States-Mexico-Canada trade agreement
  • Nomination of Jovita Carranza to be administrator of the Small Business Administration and other nominations
  • Two-year budget bill
  • Making changes to federal sentencing and prison laws

    Is that enough or should I list all of them?
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Is that enough or should I list all of them?
Feel free. Most of what you listed is covid-related anyway and as such nothing but common sense.

That doesn't take away however that the whining about the GOP's gerrymandering are bound to be raised yet again. As are your ever-recurring comparisons about the budget deficit by president, by which time you'll have conveniently forgotten what you just posted.
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Feel free. Most of what you listed is covid-related anyway and as such nothing but common sense.
You mean like infrastructure?
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So basically it was a word that most black people once used to describe themselves and then came to associate it as being something derogatory. Part of me often feels uneasy about using the term "black people," actually, because I don't like the way it focuses on skin color and separating or labeling people according to skin color. Maybe someday we'll stop labeling people according to skin color and instead focus more on seeing one another as fellow human beings.
I would so love for this to be our reality.
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So called whites should be called colored. They turn red when burned by the sun. Later brown. And blue when cold.
Not all of us go brown, you racist.
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My wife's father was a Swiss artist who favorite color was black, and you've never know that there were so many shades of black until you've seen one of his works!
Is this your father-in-law?

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