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Old 09.01.2021, 19:39
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Sweden for sure. Norway, a little less so.

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How so, in Sweden?

This is the definition of Totalitarianism:

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This is the definition of Totalitarianism:

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That's Sweden!

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Sweden for sure. Norway, a little less so.

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Along with Finland the most free countries in the world.

https://www.axios.com/world-most-lea...666a22283.html
https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...ggle-democracy
Switzerland also performs fairly well. The US (relatively speaking) doesn’t.
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Amusing how the bait attracts again.

I have some one way tickets to sell, Pyongyang via Beijing, for those who are truly interested in totalitarianism. Maybe you can hook up with the chap who wants to experience super cold temperatures - I hear these camps in the Korean mountains get quite cold.
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Sorry, I had deleted my comment because I was going to re-phrase it.

Do you think that the governments of countries such as Norway and Sweden can be equated with "totalitarianism?"
No. Clearly not. The governments are all democratically elected and act broadly with the consent of their people. If anyone doesn't like it they can leave.

The place has an unquestioning trust of authority and a nanny state ethos that I really don't like.

I'm also not sure it's a well ran place. When I was in Bergen as part of my PhD I walked past a park where there was open hard drug dealing and abuse daily. Police did nothing about it. To me one clear factor in why a small city evidently had a hard drug problem was the ridiculous cost and over regulation of alcohol.

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Along with Finland the most free countries in the world.

https://www.axios.com/world-most-lea...666a22283.html
https://freedomhouse.org/report/free...ggle-democracy
Switzerland also performs fairly well. The US (relatively speaking) doesn’t.
Free to conform, question nothing and have your income confiscated.

Here there's direct democracy, strong local government and low taxation - all empowering the individual. My personal view is that Switzerland is more "free" than Norway.

Necessarily social democracy requires the the transfer of power from the individual to government. At the end of the day if I'm free to spend my income rather than have the state spend on my behalf then I'm more free.

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Old 09.01.2021, 22:28
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I'm also not sure it's a well ran place. When I was in Bergen as part of my PhD I walked past a park where there was open hard drug dealing and abuse daily. Police did nothing about it. To me one clear factor in why a small city evidently had a hard drug problem was the ridiculous cost and over regulation of alcohol.
But what does that have to do with socialism? They were doing the same thing here in Zurich for a long time.

"The Platzspitz or “Needle Park” in Zurich was an open drugs scene in the 1980s and early 90s when heroin users could freely inject the drug without being arrested. As addicts and dealers flooded in from across Europe, the world looked on in horror, until authorities shut it down in 1992."

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Old 09.01.2021, 22:31
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Free to conform, question nothing and have your income confiscated.

Here there's direct democracy, strong local government and low taxation - all empowering the individual. My personal view is that Switzerland is more "free" than Norway.

Necessarily social democracy requires the the transfer of power from the individual to government.
Erm... I think you should read through this before making those assumptions:

https://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/sw00000_.html
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Erm... I think you should read through this before making those assumptions:

https://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/sw00000_.html
I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I'd say that social democracy making people less free is a self evident truism. It's literally taking capital allocation decisions away from the people and into government. Is that what you were trying to argue against ?
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Unless you like affordable wine to cook with.

Screw 'em.

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But what does that have to do with socialism? They were doing the same thing here in Zurich for a long time.

"The Platzspitz or “Needle Park” in Zurich was an open drugs scene in the 1980s and early 90s when heroin users could freely inject the drug without being arrested. As addicts and dealers flooded in from across Europe, the world looked on in horror, until authorities shut it down in 1992."

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/the-nee...scene/42934308
I agree that it's not a direct result of socialism - but I do think it's a sign of being badly ran. I remember it being impossible to buy booze due to over regulation but very easy to buy heroin if one wanted. Taken in the round that's pretty barmy.
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I agree that it's not a direct result of socialism - but I do think it's a sign of being badly ran. I remember it being impossible to buy booze due to over regulation but very easy to buy heroin if one wanted. Taken in the round that's pretty barmy.
Perfectly easy to buy booze, you just have to pay for it. Much more to do with their religious heritage than anything else.
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Perfectly easy to buy booze, you just have to pay for it. Much more to do with their religious heritage than anything else.
Booze is only sold in government ran shops which are shut outside working hours Monday to Friday and then are only open until 3pm on a Saturday and not at all on a Sunday.

And if you ever manage to get to one of these shops when it's open the prices are ludicrous.

That's an arbitrary restriction on freedom in my book.
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Booze is only sold in government ran shops which are shut outside working hours and then are only open until 3pm on a Saturday and not at all on a Sunday.

And if you ever manage to get to one of these shops when it's open the prices are ludicrous.

That's an arbitrary restriction on freedom in my book.
So people are free to get Covid but not free to get a drink? We say back home "to be drunk as a Swede", it is confusing.
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So people are free to get Covid but not free to get a drink? We say back home "to be drunk as a Swede", it is confusing.
If I managed to escape Scandanavia and get to Czech Republic where beer is 5-10% the price and available on demand I'd be pretty drunk too!
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I agree that it's not a direct result of socialism - but I do think it's a sign of being badly ran. I remember it being impossible to buy booze due to over regulation but very easy to buy heroin if one wanted. Taken in the round that's pretty barmy.
One could possibly say that about the US as well. Someone under the age of 21 can easily score heroin but not buy alcohol.

Maybe booze was over-regulated there because alcoholism is (or was) a huge problem in Scandinavian countries, or so I've read.

Regardless, we were talking about socialism. And there are a lot of non-socialist countries that are run very badly.
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Perfectly easy to buy booze, you just have to pay for it. Much more to do with their religious heritage than anything else.
I cook a lot with wine, Swedeish/Norwegian prices mean that I spend more on the cooking wine than the meat!

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One could possibly say that about the US as well. Someone under the age of 21 can easily score heroin but not buy alcohol.
I could easily get alcohol at 16 in the US as a teenager, faje ID was rampant.

When I was finally legal, I proudly showed my US passport as ID, which they refused to accept and so I had to show my hand-written drivers license with no picture!

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Booze is only sold in government ran shops which are shut outside working hours Monday to Friday and then are only open until 3pm on a Saturday and not at all on a Sunday.

And if you ever manage to get to one of these shops when it's open the prices are ludicrous.

That's an arbitrary restriction on freedom in my book.
No different to restrictions on many other drugs imo. And I’m writing that as a wine lover.
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If I managed to escape Scandanavia and get to Czech Republic where beer is 5-10% the price and available on demand I'd be pretty drunk too!
Yeah, beer is cheaper than Coke, still. I think? I don't drink it. But I actually think that saying came from 30 year war when Swedes plundered CZ, took our tresors, royal gold and art while celebrating and took off, drunk.
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