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Yes 40 50.63%
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No different to restrictions on many other drugs imo. And Iím writing that as a wine lover.
Id agree that restrictions on "soft" drugs are a restriction on freedom.
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I cook a lot with wine, Swedeish/Norwegian prices mean that I spend more on the cooking wine than the meat!

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But the meat is half Swiss prices so it comes out roughly even.
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Old 09.01.2021, 23:12
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Here there's direct democracy, strong local government and low taxation - all empowering the individual. My personal view is that Switzerland is more "free" than Norway.
You have a lot to learn then... every time I vote in a Swiss parliamentary election, the one I can be certain of is that no matter what way I vote it will have no impact on the composition of the government nor its direction because of the so called magic formula. On the other hand governments do seem to change in Norway.
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You have a lot to learn then... every time I vote in a Swiss parliamentary election, the one I can be certain of is that no matter what way I vote it will have no impact on the composition of the government nor its direction because of the so called magic formula. On the other hand governments do seem to change in Norway.
That's because they vote more or less the same way each time. Ultimately if people don't vote for opposition parties they can hardly be surprised when the government is returned.

Did you vote for an opposition party?
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But the meat is half Swiss prices.
Not in Norway, and forget about sourcing veal!

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the left is always in minority.
And rightly so.

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Id agree that restrictions on "soft" drugs are a restriction on freedom.
I think that depends on what kind of effects those "soft drugs" are taking on society. For example, if there is a huge problem with drunk driving and innocent people being killed because of it, a responsible government would consider trying to do something about it.

Some people are very irresponsible with their "freedoms."
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I think that depends on what kind of effects those "soft drugs" are taking on society. For example, if there is a huge problem with drunk driving and innocent people being killed because of it, a responsible government would consider trying to do something about it.

Some people are very irresponsible with their "freedoms."
Well then you penalise drink driving more heavily.

The American attitude of being hard on drink because of drink driving I find very alien. For one not all drinkers even have a car. I don't. Thus I don't see why I should be the target of any restrictions based on minimising drink driving.

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Not in Norway, and forget about sourcing veal!

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It is in Sweden. Veal is an animal welfare issue that has the support of most of the population. For the same reason itís hard to find in the UK.
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Well then you penalise drink driving more heavily.

The American attitude of being hard on drink because of drink driving I find very alien. For one not all drinkers even have a car. I don't. Thus I don't see why I should be the target of any restrictions based on minimising drink driving.
Penalizing drunk driving more heavily is not going to prevent people from driving drunk, and that's the whole point -- to protect people from being hit by drunk drivers. Drunk drivers clearly aren't very rational in the first place (or considering consequences). Drunk driving is penalized pretty heavily in the US, but of course that doesn't stop people from drunk-driving.

Also, the fact that not all drinkers have a car doesn't negate the fact that many do... and especially in the US, where most people do not use public transport.

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Veal is an animal welfare issue that has the support of most of the population. For the same reason itís hard to find in the UK.
This makes no sense.

What do they do with all the unused calves then?

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Biden is a centrist like most of the old school Democrats not so different from moderate Republicans.

Problem is he got elected in part that the younger voters got energized by the BLM situation. That far left section of the party will now want payback for getting him in so the question is can he resist being beholden to the BLM element who want to turn America into a socialist state, I expect there will be fireworks in the Democratic Party between the old and new. Biden will have a free hand until the midterms so expect him to get as much of the policies through til then.

America is a divided broken country for many years and Trump just piggybacked on it to get elected by hook or by crook. Don’t expect anything to improve due to the toxic nature of American division.

The storming of the Capitol building is just the beginning of this unfortunate narrative.
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This makes no sense.

What do they do with all the unused calves then?

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Historically they were either shot at birth and rendered into ̶c̶a̶t̶t̶l̶e̶ ̶f̶e̶e̶d̶ pet food or exported to the continent. Now there's a trend to using sexed semen.

Let's hope this doesn't go to far though. A substantial weekly helping of calf liver is the secret to my long, golden locks[1].

[1] Actually, like everything else, it's all about glutathione levels.
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Historically they were either shot at birth and rendered into ̶c̶a̶t̶t̶l̶e̶ ̶f̶e̶e̶d̶ pet food or exported to the continent.
Why not let they grow for a few months then slaughter them for veal (as is done here and other countries)?

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It is in Sweden. Veal is an animal welfare issue that has the support of most of the population. For the same reason itís hard to find in the UK.
You need to take off you 30-years-ago spectacles. Crate-raised veal is illegal in most countries these days, and so-called "rose" veal, identified as such to reassure the customer that the calf has not been caged, is readily available in the UK these days.

There;s still work to do there, with people such as you still thinking that veal is evil, but it's nothing like as bad as it used to be.
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Biden is a centrist like most of the old school Democrats not so different from moderate Republicans.

Problem is he got elected in part that the younger voters got energized by the BLM situation. That far left section of the party will now want payback for getting him in so the question is can he resist being beholden to the BLM element who want to turn America into a socialist state, I expect there will be fireworks in the Democratic Party between the old and new. Biden will have a free hand until the midterms so expect him to get as much of the policies through til then.

America is a divided broken country for many years and Trump just piggybacked on it to get elected by hook or by crook. Donít expect anything to improve due to the toxic nature of American division.

The storming of the Capitol building is just the beginning of this unfortunate narrative.

I agree with some of your thoughts but America is NOT turning into a socialist state. Take a look at the differences between Norway, a democratic country with some socialist features as opposed to China, a socialist nation. We need to find a word that represents socialistic features without provoking images of a socialist government.
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I understand.

Still looks like hairsplitting over semantics. One cannot say that DDR was democratic, n'est pas. PRC isn't people's.

Whatever label and term - the principle is what Tom said.
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I understand.

Still looks like hairsplitting over semantics. One cannot say that DDR was democratic, n'est pas. PRC isn't people's.

Whatever label and term - the principle is what Tom said.

I disagree. Bernie's use of socialism was never understood by many as it envoked images of China, which was unfortunate.
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Biden is a centrist like most of the old school Democrats not so different from moderate Republicans.
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I agree. Probably that's why he'll be a good President I think.
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I agree with some of your thoughts but America is NOT turning into a socialist state. Take a look at the differences between Norway, a democratic country with some socialist features as opposed to China, a socialist nation. We need to find a word that represents socialistic features without provoking images of a socialist government.

The reason Communism failed even though the idea by Karl Marx was noble idea but essentially humans are greedy by nature. China and other so-called Socialist states are the farthest thing from Communism as the elite keep all the wealth while the rest of the population suffers. In China the disparity between rural and urban is huge so dispels the myth of social equality.In essence Communism is Imperalism in Christmas wrapping paper.

Sure in Europe we have some social features in our lives but the US is founded on ideals of individualism when it comes to personal wealth and you get what you work for.

We saw in recent election in Florida where the Republicans were successfully able to portray the Democratic policies as Communism even though they would be considered social lite in Europe, these policies appeal the young entitlement generation but is a red flag to Republicans. The gulf of ideals gets wider by the day and as long as this happens the situation is hopeless but if Biden can resist the BLM/ self entitled wing of his party then some harmony might break out.
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