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Re: Will Biden be a good President?

It will drag on 2 years, show nothing and meanwhile the GOP congress will be precluded from conducting an investigation. So devious that its brilliant
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It will drag on 2 years, show nothing and meanwhile the GOP congress will be precluded from conducting an investigation. So devious that its brilliant
The GOP Congress?
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Old 12.01.2023, 21:43
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GOP *controlled* congress
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Old 12.01.2023, 21:48
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You mean House, I guess.
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More documents found
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...m_npd_nn_tw_ma
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Re: Will Biden be a good President?

yeah but im pretty sure its different this time. again.
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Old 15.01.2023, 11:29
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Re: Will Biden be a good President?

Looking forward to the backpaddling in the press and from Democrat politicians having spent the entire back end of last summer telling us why holding such documents is an enormous threat to national security and a danger to the American people

Trump’s possession of intelligence documents raises fears for national security

https://thehill.com/policy/national-...onal-security/

Adam Schiff Twitter thread explaining why holding such documents puts national security at risk

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/st...68888101511172
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Old 15.01.2023, 11:35
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The content, type of documents, and reason for keeping them would the the salient criteria for deciding prosecution.

For example, a manual of operating methods of nuclear submarines would be higher up the scale than the financial budget for the White House catering department.
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Old 15.01.2023, 11:56
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The content, type of documents, and reason for keeping them would the the salient criteria for deciding prosecution.

For example, a manual of operating methods of nuclear submarines would be higher up the scale than the financial budget for the White House catering department.
No need to speculate here, the type of documents is already clear as the US has 3 classifications, Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret.

In the UK misplacing confidential documents relating to national security doesn't need to come at the expense of ones career. Angus Lapsley who managed to forget many such documents at a London bus stop was handed a top job at NATO last year!

Only interesting thing for me is again witnessing the shameless hypocrisy in the US Media.
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Old 15.01.2023, 11:57
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Re: Will Biden be a good President?

What this whole classified documents mess shows is that:
  1. Too many things are labeled classified out of an abundance of caution
  2. Too many people have clearance
  3. No one is organized in either party

If you search the homes and offices of other former and current officials, including members of Congress, you'll probably find more classified documents.

It's confusing at best. Here's an interesting article about the classification process and security clearances.
https://www.pogo.org/report/2020/02/...aff-clearances
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Old 15.01.2023, 12:00
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What this whole classified documents mess shows is that:
  1. Too many things are labeled classified out of an abundance of caution
  2. Too many people have clearance
  3. No one is organized in either party

If you search the homes and offices of other former and current officials, including members of Congress, you'll probably find more classified documents.

It's confusing at best. Here's an interesting article about the classification process and security clearances.
https://www.pogo.org/report/2020/02/...aff-clearances
This is actually the point, why were so few people willing to make this case last August?
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Old 15.01.2023, 12:22
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No need to speculate here, the type of documents is already clear as the US has 3 classifications, Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret.

In the UK misplacing confidential documents relating to national security doesn't need to come at the expense of ones career. Angus Lapsley who managed to forget many such documents at a London bus stop was handed a top job at NATO last year!

Only interesting thing for me is again witnessing the shameless hypocrisy in the US Media.
What hypocrisy

New Hillary Bombshell: 22 Emails Were 'Too Damaging to National Security to Ever Be Released'

Just one example of many......
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Old 15.01.2023, 12:24
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This is actually the point, why were so few people willing to make this case last August?
Or in 2016 about Hillary?
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Old 15.01.2023, 12:46
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Because everyone loves to hate Trump! He's a goldmine for ratings.

Jokes aside, Biden is an idiot for his TV interview comment. He's been in politics long enough to know that papers sometimes wind up where they should not.

He should have simply said something along the lines of "That's unfortunate, let the FBI do its investigation." or "No comment."

Biden has a slight advantage over Trump in all of this as the sitting president. Trump can claim he declassified documents by thinking about it, but it would appear there's nothing to back up that claim. If the documents really WERE declassified as he claims, then they'd be all over the press under Freedom of Information requests. But they're not, so there are at least some that are potentially damaging to national security.

As the current president, Biden can declassify anything they've found in his office or garage, assuming it's not anything damaging to national security.
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Old 15.01.2023, 13:55
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Looking forward to the backpaddling in the press and from Democrat politicians having spent the entire back end of last summer telling us why holding such documents is an enormous threat to national security and a danger to the American people

Trump’s possession of intelligence documents raises fears for national security

https://thehill.com/policy/national-...onal-security/

Adam Schiff Twitter thread explaining why holding such documents puts national security at risk

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/st...68888101511172
The elephant in this room is Trump is a past president and so has no right to keep classified documents at home or anywhere.

Biden is the current president and can do whatever he wants with classified documents.
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yeah but im pretty sure its different this time. again.
And none of them were *just found*. The first batch was found in November, another one in December......

They are slow-rolling it to minimize the s*** storm
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The elephant in this room is Trump is a past president and so has no right to keep classified documents at home or anywhere.

Biden is the current president and can do whatever he wants with classified documents.
He took the documents years ago when he was the vice president.

Both are in the wrong
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By Fox News and Marco Rubio. Were it any other circumstances you would dismiss this out of hand.
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Old 15.01.2023, 14:12
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Looking forward to the backpaddling in the press and from Democrat politicians having spent the entire back end of last summer telling us why holding such documents is an enormous threat to national security and a danger to the American people

Trump’s possession of intelligence documents raises fears for national security

https://thehill.com/policy/national-...onal-security/

Adam Schiff Twitter thread explaining why holding such documents puts national security at risk

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/st...68888101511172
Okay. But if you want to talk about hypocrisy, then you'd also need to acknowledge the fact that most Republicans and Trump supporters had been expressing that they had no problem with Trump having classified documents at Mar-o-Lago and denying that he had them and that it was nothing more than a (quote) "witch hunt" when they were seized.

Not to mention the fact that Trump's lawyer had issued and signed a letter saying that no classified documents were at Mar-o-Lago, but then ten sets of them were later found... Whereas Biden's attorney had been deliberately searching for classified docs and then hands them over if and when they are found. i.e. Not trying to hide them. Can you spot the difference?

According to Republican "logic," Trump is allowed to willingly hide classified documents at his resort, and deny having them, and yet Biden and his attorney are not allowed to actively search for classified documents that are ~15 years old and then hand them over to authorities out of their own free will if and when they are found.
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Old 15.01.2023, 14:39
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He took the documents years ago when he was the vice president.

Both are in the wrong
It would need to be proven he took them years ago and that they were still classified at that time. Innocent until proven guilty
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