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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

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. I understand that there will be friendly banter between nationalities, but there seems to be so much outright vitriol, genuine hatred towards Britian - or more specifically the English - nowadays.
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Might that be the backlash of using terms like EUSSR, "Brussels dictatorship",blaming the EU for all ills, even those have their origin in the UK itself ?
Granted not all English do that, but annoying number do....


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Old 04.01.2021, 18:59
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

Vysegrads aren't particularly concerned by the UK in my experience, busy with the Covid situation. But I think people admire the guts of Brexiteers. I don't see any vitriol, maybe considering the UKs as mortals now, as opposed to gods.
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......Don't worry, something else will come up and soon Brexit will be forgotten.
Something tells me JackieH is not going to let Brexit drop, regardless.
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

Yes, you can be sure of it.


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Something tells me JackieH is not going to let Brexit drop, regardless.
I'm just amused that paradoxically she isn't calling for her own country to join despite the fact that it is in the middle of Europe and we are on the periphery!
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Might that be the backlash of using terms like EUSSR, "Brussels dictatorship",blaming the EU for all ills, even those have their origin in the UK itself ?
Granted not all English do that, but annoying number do....


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I'm not going to defend EUSSR which is silly at best and quite offensive to the Eastern Europeans especially.

"Dictatorship" is a little far, but the EU is not a democracy. Von der Leyen (who I quite like - not knocking her personally) and the Commission have a lot of power and absolutely no democratic mandate. The EU parliament is seriously short of horsepower and in many countries there is essentially no opposition to the status quo unless you are willing to vote for a fascist. The derisory turnouts for EU elections say it all.
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I'm just amused that paradoxically she isn't calling for her own country to join despite the fact that it is in the middle of Europe and we are on the periphery!
Switzerland has got a great Deal- one the UK was never going to have. Apples - bananas - no point in comparing.
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Switzerland has got a great Deal- one the UK was never going to have. Apples - bananas - no point in comparing.
Your own countrymen aren't entirely in agreement - https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/-brexit...rland/46249466

TBH I'm not entirely sure what benefit the Swiss have over membership (my ignorance)
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

This is not the place here- this thread is about the UK.

I can however assure you that just as the Scots feel differently about it, us Romands and enlightened Baslers, feel very differently to those on the other side of t'Röschtigrabe.

As I lived in the UK since 1970, and have been British since a bit later ... the choice was never mine, for sure.
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Old 04.01.2021, 20:08
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

Us, englightened Romands feel sympathetic with the UK who got out when it was stil possible, and still benefit. When V4 get tired of vetoing, there will be very little benefit, only damage control. I don't think V4 can ever, tbh. The UK actually could.
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

With due respect, I truly don't think you are a typical Romande, somehow. The lastest vote on FMOP was VERY clear. You live in the wrong Kanton
if you want to follow the UDC/SVP

Au niveau suisse, c'est Bâle-Ville qui a le plus massivement rejeté l'initiative de l'UDC avec 74,6% de non. La Suisse romande suit de près, avec dans l'ordre Neuchâtel (71,1%), Vaud (70,9%), Genève (69%), le Jura (68,2%), Fribourg (64,6%), le Valais (62,1%)
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I'm not going to defend EUSSR which is silly at best and quite offensive to the Eastern Europeans especially.

"Dictatorship" is a little far, but the EU is not a democracy. Von der Leyen (who I quite like - not knocking her personally) and the Commission have a lot of power and absolutely no democratic mandate. The EU parliament is seriously short of horsepower and in many countries there is essentially no opposition to the status quo unless you are willing to vote for a fascist. The derisory turnouts for EU elections say it all.
You have a point. But let's not forget that often the same people who argue that the EU is undemocratic are the same who fight any additional power transfer to the EU parliament and the Commission. It is the nature of the EU to be a supranational institution (it's not exactly like the workings of the institutions are a secret for new joiners), and this comes with certain consequences. I am fine with this as long as the members are firm democracies and are ruled by law.
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I'm not going to defend EUSSR which is silly at best and quite offensive to the Eastern Europeans especially.
You can't offend us so easily, though. We no snowflakes. You could quote any post 1938 politician and potentially offend us since we were pawned over to Hitler, then Russkies..and so many times before. Habsburg's 'heaven' was sh*te for us, too. So. It looks like we are happy for the UK but somehow they interpret it as 'hate' or spite. I don't like to see them go at all, but I wish them all the advantage they will have over us..albeit it may not be immediately evident and yes, it is a risk.
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I'm not going to defend EUSSR which is silly at best and quite offensive to the Eastern Europeans especially.

"Dictatorship" is a little far, but the EU is not a democracy. Von der Leyen (who I quite like - not knocking her personally) and the Commission have a lot of power and absolutely no democratic mandate. The EU parliament is seriously short of horsepower and in many countries there is essentially no opposition to the status quo unless you are willing to vote for a fascist. The derisory turnouts for EU elections say it all.
This may be because many EU countries are themselves short of parliamentary horsepower. Very little true opposition but just a general unthinking nodding through of laws, supported by an uncritical cheerleader press who thinks its job is to protect the status quo at all costs. Look at Germany for example.

How can democracy and parliamentarianism work on a European level if its not working on a national level?

Europe needs a serious shock to wake from its slumber.

I thought Brexit might be that shock, but obviously it wasn't big enough.
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

Keeps on giving

£1.2 TRILLION in banking assets has left the UK as a result of Brexit.
£6bn of trading along with its profits left the UK just yesterday for the EU on day one of Brexit.
EU firms refusing to take orders from or ship to the UK because of Brexit VAT rules.
UK companies unable to export to the EU because two thirds of them still don't understand the export paperwork required.
The economy in free fall and in the middle of a pandemic. (from Jason Hunter)
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Lots of Scottish have a deep and ingrained cultural hatred of the English that has been passed down through the generations since medieval times when they were brutally subjugated. They have been treated like vassals ever since and still have a fiercely independent national pride.
I've just informed Mr Rufus that he us my vassal. His response was short and unrepeatable.

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That was my point. Young British citizens will have less chances to study or make work experiences abroad. I know that for me both was absolutely key to who I am today and I am very happy about the opportunities I had.

It’s a loss for Europeans to have less access to the UK, but vice versa are they losing out on an entire continent.
Absolutely this. It's an enormous loss.

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Erasmus cost about £13,000 per year for each student that took part. Most people of a working class background will never have even heard of it, yet were paying for more privileged students to take part through their taxes.

Probably also a large factor as to why Brexit happened in the first place. The language barrier meant the right exercise free movement was only ever academic for most because of the lack of other European languages.
I disagree. It was a scheme widely advertised and made available. Yes, even to the working class.

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what a narrow view, and not my experience at all as a 6th Form specialist. Many of the students I have known to go on to spend 1 year abroad with Erasmus were not 'mere language students' - but were studying totally unrelated Degrees, like Engineering, Medicine, Accounting, and so many more - and other combined Degree- where reaching fluency during that year truly gave me a professional edge with jobs, like International Accounting + language/s, International Business + language/s, International Law + language/s, design, fashion, and so many more. And those students were not from posh background nor academic families, on the whole.
This. It's very common. OH spent a year in Germany as part of his Engineering degree.


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Frankly its pretty disingenuous to assume that the majority of students who 'do well at University' in the UK
are toffs from posh, upper class backgrounds.

It might have been true in Jacob Rees-Moggs era but Britain's in the 21st century now, although following
Brexit its open to interpretation which era Britain belongs to now.
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This is a really good point. I think there's value in offering a broader based curriculum to post 16 students. At the same time, there's probably also value in offering a narrower but deeper curriculum to European students. Everyone is different.

From my own perspective A levels were right for me. I did Maths, Further Maths, Physics, Chemistry and Biology at A level - and I always knew that science was what I was passionate about. Even at 13 and 14 I found e.g. English literature, History etc. a real bore - and wouldn't have enjoyed it benefited from taking it further.
That's a shame. Literature is such an all-encompassing facilitating subject.

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I always feel sad that even at O level the choices, and to be fair the way the subjects were taught, led me away from some subjects which in later life have become great areas of interest. I like to hope that teaching methods and curriculums have improved to make some subjects less like the "hard work, boring, useless" that they appeared to me at the time.

I didn't stay at school for A levels (did some later in evening classes, after an OND, so I caught up eventually) but had I done so it would most likely have been science and maths to the exclusion of anything related to arts or humanities. I don't understand why focussing on A levels means that you can't also dip a metaphorical finger in other pies of history.

I think that later (after my school age, I mean) it became more common for students to also do an A level in "General Studies" which presumably should have helped give a more general grounding. How did that work out in practice?
Arts and humanities are the lifeblood, IMO.
General studies was a weird one: random classes, loads of wider reading and then just sat the exam. Basically it was luck of the draw regarding the essay topic. It did count towards UCAS though.

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I did an A’level in ‘General studies’ and I think we were probably at school at around the same time.
It wasn’t a proper A’ level course as such, we just had a few ‘general’ lessons during the year and sat the exam at the same time as all the other A’ levels.
Yep. This and the 'S' levels.

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I taught it- it was fun and very interesting. And very much depended on the teacher teaching it. But no, it wasn't taken seriously as an A Level, and mattered little when it came to results, although UCAS did take it on board. It was quietly dropped as it was to difficult to timetable and staff, and due to pressure on results for 'proper' A'Levels.

Nought to do with Languages though.
I think it was more to do with the breadth of knowledge it needed in order to be successful!

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I think if I stayed here into retirement I'd do the intensive German course. I came in February with zero and got the A2 in November so have tried (Not the most talented linguist so took some effort). But essay writing - never!
Essay writing is a teachable skill, just like most other things.
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If you're a Remainer I can see why you'd think that, if you're a Brexiteer though, this deal ticks many of the boxes.

Also, the UK will not rejoin the EU in our lifetimes.
I don't think it ticks many at all. There were never really many concrete boxes to start with. Just vague statements.

I guess we will see.

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There is literally no way we will be rejoining. Can you seriously imagine people voting to join the Euro? FMOP reintroduction is the only plausible backtrack.

Also - he's relatively popular in the north - outside the Didsbury chattering classes anyway.
Like i said, cap in hand. Johnson is not as popular as you seem to think.

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You are deluded.
It's over for a generation. Anyone in politics today won't touch another referendum with a bargepole.
Both Tories and labour are Brexit parties, ( Starmer must be delighted Boris has done the dirty work) which leaves the lib Dems to rise from the ashes, and they don't attract high enough quality politicians.
Am I? That's merely your opinion, of course.

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Keeps on giving

£1.2 TRILLION in banking assets has left the UK as a result of Brexit.
£6bn of trading along with its profits left the UK just yesterday for the EU on day one of Brexit.
EU firms refusing to take orders from or ship to the UK because of Brexit VAT rules.
UK companies unable to export to the EU because two thirds of them still don't understand the export paperwork required.
The economy in free fall and in the middle of a pandemic. (from Jason Hunter)

Yep. It's hurting a lot of small British companies.
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