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Old 03.01.2021, 18:51
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I'm (almost) seriously wondering about proposing a new posting rule, whereby any post that wilfully misinterprets a previous post is automatically deleted and the poster banned.

Why, oh why do so many people feel the need to put words in others' mouths like this?
Wow, I'm shocked, I never would have expected this response from you, thanks!

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The average ERASMUS student has the option of cheap EasyJet, Ryanair, Eurostar etc.. travel to see their family during term breaks but if you're out in China, Australia or US the average student is probably only seeing their families once a year if they're lucky.

This was all about cost but I don't think you can beat the value of ERASMUS with some headline grabbing International scheme that will probably only benefit the more well off students who can plug the financial gap.
I think that EasyJet, Ryanair and Eurostar have done far more for European integration than both the EU and ERASMUS combined!
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I taught it- it was fun and very interesting. And very much depended on the teacher teaching it. But no, it wasn't taken seriously as an A Level, and mattered little when it came to results, although UCAS did take it on board. It was quietly dropped as it was to difficult to timetable and staff, and due to pressure on results for 'proper' A'Levels.

Nought to do with Languages though.
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Old 03.01.2021, 21:01
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The average ERASMUS student has the option of cheap EasyJet, Ryanair, Eurostar etc.. travel to see their family during term breaks but if you're out in China, Australia or US the average student is probably only seeing their families once a year if they're lucky.

This was all about cost but I don't think you can beat the value of ERASMUS with some headline grabbing International scheme that will probably only benefit the more well off students who can plug the financial gap.
Or grown up kids, who want to move on with careers and don't mind seeing families once a year. Many of us went through this, instead of zipping home for goulash once a month.

Erasmus works between institutions offering identical programs. Identical programs across the globe are not considsered the best thing in education, anymore.
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TC confirms it that the Brexit's grand plan is to drop European languages from the national curriculum and further disadvantage British businesses with a post-Brexit intake of graduates who are lacking in foreign langauge skills when it comes to negotiating skills with any foreign company who's first language isn't English.
Of all our problems I think language is the least of them. In the real world you'd struggle to find a European company that conducts international business that is incapable of communicating in English. We are just lucky that it's our language that's become the lingua Franca.

When I worked in London the valued national languages were Chinese, Japanese and to a lesser extent Korean.

Actual real world problems with British Companies - we have Little in the way of new world tech companies. Just 20th Century grunters. STEM is in the answer to that problem. Indeed, STEM skills are why most expats are here!

Personally although it wasn't the subject I disliked the most (anything that involves essay writing for me), I would have gotten rid of French if I could. If people want to study it - great, but I don't see why it's compulsory.
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Or grown up kids, who want to move on with careers and don't mind seeing families once a year. Many of us went through this, instead of zipping home for goulash once a month.
or fondue ... was just 19 when I went to London - cheap flights did not exist, and even the journey by train was very complicated pre Tunnel. I made the choice from day 1, NO contact whatsoever with anyone who spoke my language, and no visit home- that was the whole point. In those pre mobile phones or internet days, full and absolute immersion was possible- and learning was fast. Last thing I would have wanted to do for a holiday, was to go home! The isle of Wight Festivals was a lot more fun.

When my eldest went to France with Erasmus, she also chose not to come home once - instead we met up with her in France, for a ski holiday, and later for another holiday in the South of France. Last thing on here mind was to come home when there was so much to do and see. If my mother in the early 30s left her Language school in London, as they were all sticking together and speaking French. She found a pension and private tutor in Hastings, and did not speak a word of French for the rest of her stay. No point in going abroad to work or study if you run home every time you have a few days to explore.

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Old 03.01.2021, 22:35
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Of all our problems I think language is the least of them.
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In the real world you'd struggle to find a European company that conducts international business that is incapable of communicating in English. We are just lucky that it's our language that's become the lingua Franca.

When I worked in London the valued national languages were Chinese, Japanese and to a lesser extent Korean.

Actual real world problems with British Companies - we have Little in the way of new world tech companies. Just 20th Century grunters. STEM is in the answer to that problem. Indeed, STEM skills are why most expats are here!
I think some modesty is needed, looking at other places with cheaper stem skills. But that can only make the UK, CH...etc. better.

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Personally although it wasn't the subject I disliked the most (anything that involves essay writing for me), I would have gotten rid of French if I could. If people want to study it - great, but I don't see why it's compulsory.
I never thought I'd become fluent in FR and looking back it is great. So is essay writing. Throw some humanity into your stem, and you are perfect.

I will brush up my on Russian.
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This.



I think some modesty is needed, looking at other places with cheaper stem skills. But that can only make the UK, CH...etc. better.



I never thought I'd become fluent in FR and looking back it is great. So is essay writing. Throw some humanity into your stem, and you are perfect.

I will brush up my Russian.
I think if I stayed here into retirement I'd do the intensive German course. I came in February with zero and got the A2 in November so have tried (Not the most talented linguist so took some effort). But essay writing - never!
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I think if I stayed here into retirement I'd do the intensive German course. I came in February with zero and got the A2 in November so have tried (Not the most talented linguist so took some effort). But essay writing - never!
Everybody is a talented linguist. Trust me.

Essay Writing? I'd start to love it creatively. Get a bulet point journal. Then a plant...A dog.

Writing is brain work, see in a stem way if it helps? Molecular.

But everybody will have top stem skills tomorrow and then the worthy difference will be in the humanities side of your vision.
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

Very few need to write essays though. Switching to essay writing in one's own language is hard enough for most. But for some of us, there was no choice- and you just got on with it, and adjusted- and a few essays later, it just came naturally. But ...
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Back to the OP. The main question in my head currently on this Deal, is why, oh why- has the ERG rolled over and accepted this. The sort of thin, bad Deal they said would be very much worse than No Deal, and they would never ever accept - ever.

Then ... they roll over and accept it. Despite knowing that it favours the EU and not the UK (diverge from rules and we slap tariffs)- does not include services, etc, etc. Why?

Good article in Guardian on the subject here

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ories-bad-deal

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British scientists discovered today the genes responsible for happiness. They are collectively now know as SchenGen
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I wonder sometimes why it is people hate Britain so much, I don't really understand why. I understand that there will be friendly banter between nationalities, but there seems to be so much outright vitriol, genuine hatred towards Britian - or more specifically the English - nowadays.

It's saddening in many ways, because I don't think your average british person is a nasty piece of work, I think they are actually good natured and pleasant and its really disappointing to see how much happiness people get out of seeing the British people fail at something, or come out second best.
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I wonder sometimes why it is people hate Britain so much, I don't really understand why. I understand that there will be friendly banter between nationalities, but there seems to be so much outright vitriol, genuine hatred towards Britian - or more specifically the English - nowadays.

It's saddening in many ways, because I don't think your average british person is a nasty piece of work, I think they are actually good natured and pleasant and its really disappointing to see how much happiness people get out of seeing the British people fail at something, or come out second best.
Vitriol? Get some perspective, this is the stereotypical The Economist article during the last financial crisis in Greece: https://www.economist.com/finance-an...odus-chapter-1

It's totally OK to use a drawing of people drowning. In the article you even find the nice metaphors of contagion and outbreak as if a financial crisis were a virus. The Greek were depicted in the media as the origin of problem, not so different to Wuhan in China. At the time it was common to apply the Titanic metaphor to Spain and Italy. Well, no one is doing that in this thread, calm down. A thicker skin is needed to succeed in this world.
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I wonder sometimes why it is people hate Britain so much, I don't really understand why.
I think you are confusing a bad joke with hatred. Sadly, the excellent reality show that was Brexit is now over

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At the time it was common to apply the Titanic metaphor to Spain and Italy. Well, no one is doing that in this thread, calm down.
Precisely! Let me remind you that it was the British who came up with the affectionate term PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Spain and Greece) which is much more loaded than the Brexit jokes ever were.
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Back to the OP. The main question in my head currently on this Deal, is why, oh why- has the ERG rolled over and accepted this. The sort of thin, bad Deal they said would be very much worse than No Deal, and they would never ever accept - ever.

Then ... they roll over and accept it. Despite knowing that it favours the EU and not the UK (diverge from rules and we slap tariffs)- does not include services, etc, etc. Why?

Good article in Guardian on the subject here

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ories-bad-deal
John Crace is as anti-Tory and anti-Brexit as nearly every writer on the Guardian. Everyone's entitled to their view, no problem, but obviously the Graun is very clear on its editorial policy, and it's rare to find anything in their pages that challenge the paper's status quo. One very unusual exception in Larry Elliot whose article the other day was like a breath of fresh air. It was visible on the front page for about 2 hours before being archived, which says it all. Well worth reading:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...it-economic-uk

Regarding the ERG, I think they simply accepted that this was about as good as it was going to get. Despite all the bluster, even they didn't really want a no-deal Brexit. The important things for them were:

* an end to free movement
* no trade tariffs
* no subservience (as they saw it) to the EU's legal system.

They got all of those so were happy enough.
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Precisely! Let me remind you that it was the British who came up with the affectionate term PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Spain and Greece) which is much more loaded than the Brexit jokes ever were.
We're not racist, we're just....affectionate!
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Precisely! Let me remind you that it was the British who came up with the affectionate term PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Spain and Greece) which is much more loaded than the Brexit jokes ever were.
On what authority do you attribute the origin of the unflattering PIGS to "the British"? You mean all British people came up with it simultaneously? Or do you have a particular journalist or academic in mind? If so, which one? In fact, the Financial Times refused to use the acronym as a matter of policy as they considered it demeaning. I doubt if any one person in particular came up with the term which, as a British person, and possibly an unrepresentative one, I found really distasteful.

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Less of the prejudice please. Thanks awfully.
Some of the Brits are increasingly sensitive these days. Maybe some of them need to be more of a pachyderm
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Vitriol? Get some perspective, this is the stereotypical The Economist article during the last financial crisis in Greece: https://www.economist.com/finance-an...odus-chapter-1

It's totally OK to use a drawing of people drowning. In the article you even find the nice metaphors of contagion and outbreak as if a financial crisis were a virus. The Greek were depicted in the media as the origin of problem, not so different to Wuhan in China. At the time it was common to apply the Titanic metaphor to Spain and Italy. Well, no one is doing that in this thread, calm down. A thicker skin is needed to succeed in this world.
And you think this is reflective of Britain as a whole society ? Genuinely, you believe we all (or the main majority of the citizens) think in this fashion ? It's really a sad situation if so.
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Some of the Brits are increasingly sensitive these days. Maybe some of them need to be more of a pachyderm
I doubt if we've become increasingly sensitive, but constant moaning about "the British" whatever that even means, is tiresome. I don't know what your nationality is but I suspect that you don't like being lumped in with all your countryfolk and hearing that you are all this or that. If you have an individual or an organisation to criticise, go right ahead. Absolutely fine. But I don't like millions of people being tarred with the same brush, whether that's a particular nationality or race or gender or anything else. It's lazy and unethical. Above all, it's usually utter bollocks in any case.
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