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how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

In the UK, polls show 17%. And the surprising thing, only 27% of Brexiters.
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Old 01.01.2021, 13:47
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In the UK, polls show 17%. And the surprising thing, only 27% of Brexiters.
Well, you started the thread so what is your opinion?

I think the summary from analysis that I have read is that it is not exactly 'ideal', but the essential four freedoms of the EU were preserved and I think it could also have been much worse (at least in the short term) if we had lost access to the single market. It will add tons of red tape and regulations to travel, trade and businesses though.
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Old 01.01.2021, 13:54
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

Do anyone know what the “deal” is - other than broad platitudes??
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

Do you mean Johnson doing a good job in negotiating the deal or the deal itself good?
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Old 01.01.2021, 14:09
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Do anyone know what the “deal” is - other than broad platitudes??
I haven't read a good summary in the sense of interpreting the deal, but here are a lot of the facts: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres.../en/ip_20_2531

Some interpretation of what this means (good and bad) for business by EY: https://www.ey.com/en_uk/news/2020/1...ess-in-reality

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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

All really irrelevant, the big question is this deal better than the one we already had?
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Old 01.01.2021, 14:50
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

I think it's great!

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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

Haven't followed the detail, but there's a quick summary on the beeb.

The main area of concern for me, selfishly, was whether we'd still easily be able to get mail-order goods from the UK (to France) without all the hassle of VAT pishing about, which seems to be agreed, albeit with some additional paperwork required.

I mean, how else would I get my Cadbury's chocolate fix?
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All really irrelevant, the big question is this deal better than the one we already had?
If you are a constitutional leaver like Liam Fox then it is a good deal and this is mission accomplished. I suspect people like him are in the minority, most would not be able to discern much difference on sovereignty but they will instantly feel the pinch of being out of the EU
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

Reading through the EY link:


Loss of access to Erasmus is a big one if you have an academic career.



On the flipside, young adults who are UK citizens but resident in Europe - need to pay full fees to access UK universities unless they meet residency requirements in the UK (which I think is 3 or 5 years before studying)... expect this to affect study options if you want to study at the tertiary level in English...



Loss of mutual recognition of professional qualifications, is a big one I think...


And increased barriers of service providing businesses to EU customers.


Trade remedies have not been agreed. Either side can apply trade restrictions.



from the link:



“There is no phase-in or grace period. Businesses will need to meet many of the new requirements imposed as a result of the UK leaving the EU’s single market and customs union from 1 January 2021. These include new customs documentation and procedures, immigration changes and reduced services market access."
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

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Haven't followed the detail, but there's a quick summary on the beeb.

The main area of concern for me, selfishly, was whether we'd still easily be able to get mail-order goods from the UK (to France) without all the hassle of VAT pishing about, which seems to be agreed, albeit with some additional paperwork required.

I mean, how else would I get my Cadbury's chocolate fix?
So as far as I can read it´s same oh, same oh, with just a load more hassle. I suppose in a year or so the remainers could ask the brexiteers if it was all worth it.
I would however expect the answer to be: "Meh!" Brexit won´t cause Britain to crash and burn, but it won´t kickstart the second empire either, It will result in a lukewarm, pasty and half assed EU light version that pisses everybody off but not enough for any politician to do something about it.
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

Yes, Boris Johnson has very much delivered on his promise to get Brexit done, and his school report there is very commendable. Unfortunately the Covid response has been dreadful, however the his is largely mirrored across Europe.

If he can role out the vaccination program so that by the end of the spring the country can reopen, together with Brexit he may well secure a lasting legacy. I can even imagine a situation where under such circumstances (legacy secure) where he resigns in the summer to spend more time with Carrie and Wilfred!
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Old 01.01.2021, 16:39
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

His Covid response has been poor but perhaps improving - but EU good.

Incidentally I think Europe will ultimately do an even worse job than the uk on Covid. It's bought nowhere near enough vaccine and the new variant will rear it's head soon.

I'll be voting Conservative again. Anyone but labour.

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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

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His Covid response has been poor but perhaps improving - but EU good.

Incidentally I think Europe will ultimately do an even worse job than the uk on Covid. It's bought nowhere near enough vaccine and the new variant will rear it's head soon.

I'll be voting Conservative again. Anyone but labour.
I would say his handling of everything covid related has been worse than poor, absolutely shambolic. Here are the issues I have:
1. Way to slow to lockdown, shaking hands in a hospital with doctors while the virus was spreading nationwide
2. Care homes - hung out to dry by decision to send people out of hospital with no test spreading virus into most vunerable.
3. Test and trace - shocking performance
4. Overall always behind the curve, too slow to respond to how events change
5 biggest criticism of all, he is happy to keep people in place who perform terribly, Gavin Williamson immediately springs to mind, get out the clowns in the cabinet and he might get some public trust back
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I'll be voting Conservative again. Anyone but labour.
Isn’t that a little narrow minded? Wouldn’t it be better to make decisions like this in the run up to election day, based on the policies and leadership exhibited by the various parties at that time.

Or do you just want to be like the yanks who vote based on how their great-grandparents voted?

IMHO opinion the best form of government is a coalition government, constantly seeking consensus. I tend to favour the third place party because of this.
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Isn’t that a little narrow minded? Wouldn’t it be better to make decisions like this in the run up to election day, based on the policies and leadership exhibited by the various parties at that time.

Or do you just want to be like the yanks who vote based on how their great-grandparents voted?

IMHO opinion the best form of government is a coalition government, constantly seeking consensus. I tend to favour the third place party because of this.
Well if I were to vote in a seat where the liberals are competitive with labour (really there are almost none - maybe Sheffield Hallam), then I'd consider voting liberal. I've got friends in the party and our EU differences aside I'm broadly sympathetic to them (my views are pretty close to the FDP here).

I totally disagree with labour on most issues at a fundamental level and won't ever vote for them.

It's not proportional representation - this is how FPTP makes you think. The election where I vote will be between Conservative and Labour. Thus realistically I will vote Conservative.

In Switzerland Id do as you suggest.

Im not totally partisan - I've voted Liberal once locally before, and for the Brexit Party in the European elections.

My family are mostly Conservative voters - but aren't very Party political.
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IMHO opinion the best form of government is a coalition government, constantly seeking consensus. I tend to favour the third place party because of this.
Who would that be? The Liberal Democrats? The Greens? Or the SNP?
Any of them are enough to send me running for cover!

Unfortunately, the Labour Party has become so out of touch with the grass roots that it is really no longer a viable opposition party either, and that will continue to be the case until they get rid of their extreme fringes that normal salt of the earth people just cannot relate to. A "sane" Labour Party would be able to give the conservatives a far better run for their money and hold their feet to the fire, which isn't the case right now. It may actually help the conservatives remain in power longer because it would give them a reason to be somewhat more circumspect about their policies.
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Who would that be? The Liberal Democrats? The Greens? Or the SNP?
Any of them are enough to send me running for cover!

Unfortunately, the Labour Party has become so out of touch with the grass roots that it is really no longer a viable opposition party either, and that will continue to be the case until they get rid of their extreme fringes that normal salt of the earth people just cannot relate to. A "sane" Labour Party would be able to give the conservatives a far better run for their money and hold their feet to the fire, which isn't the case right now. It may actually help the conservatives remain in power longer because it would give them a reason to be somewhat more circumspect about their policies.
Labour need to stop just talking to London. Unfortunately they are totally unable to do so. Starmer was the wrong candidate. Nandy would have been far more of a problem.

Things have gotten so bad for Labour that a majority is pretty much impossible. The best they could hope for us working with the SNP - which would require another referendum.
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Re: how many think Johnson has done a good job with The Deal?

So far, only a few have responded as to whether he has done a good job with the Deal he 'negotiated' and the few who did, did not give any reasons or argumentation as to why.
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Yes, Boris Johnson has very much delivered on his promise to get Brexit done, and his school report there is very commendable.

What on earth does 'get Brexit done'- what has it actually achieved, in real terms?

As for his school reports- they are well known- and none of them are good. Lazy, feckless, worse.
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