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11.01.2021, 22:54
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | They learned their lesson and don't want to forget it. I respect Germany for that. | | | | | So true. Censorship is absolutely unthinkable in Germany today.
Just as it is absolutely unthinkable that the government encourages people to snitch on their neighbours.
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11.01.2021, 22:57
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11.01.2021, 23:34
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | ETA:
This doesn't apply, book publisher aren't protected by Section 230. | | | | | Canceling Hawley’s book contract is an example of cancel culture. Obviously it has nothing to do with 230, etc. | This user would like to thank ennui for this useful post: | | 
12.01.2021, 00:07
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…same dictatorship media that brought him to the power now is banning him...media has polarised the society and use sophisticated media tools to influence public opinion to have just two option, right or left...i never liked Trump, he is coward, but now internet moguls proved how powerful they are, if they can ban 'the most powerful man on earth'...no doubt that our society is slipping into wrong direction, only an social earthquake will make to comeback to the normal...
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12.01.2021, 00:26
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | Canceling Hawley’s book contract is an example of cancel culture. Obviously it has nothing to do with 230, etc.  | | | | | Not sure why you're rolling your eyes. OP clearly focuses on online channels like social media (see the first post), which makes Section 230 a core aspect.
Cancellations aim to destroy someone's entire presence (usually including their economic existence, though that may be difficult WRT Trump). Hawley however doesn't seem to be affected beyond the book contract (AFAICT), which makes this an ordinary breach of contract he'll probably sue for.
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12.01.2021, 07:49
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12.01.2021, 12:01
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Now this is what I call crazy: Airbnb to ban guests associated with hate groups, violent activity ahead of US presidential inauguration https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...n-inauguration
I guess it's OK if a city official tells the following. The price for living in any capital city is protests all the time. Forgoing income of some stays is cheaper than living in a city under unrest, or paying for the cleanup later. Reasonable. | Quote: |  | | | “There’s no way to guarantee that your guests are not coming to incite violence,” Janeese Lewis George, a Washington city council member, said in a post on Twitter. “Please protect your neighbors and the District from more attacks.” | | | | | I guess it's also reasonable if AirBnB warns hosts to be careful about whom you rent your place, that's pure common sense.
But, filtering customers because of perceived risk? I guess we're close to the Chinese citizen score than we imagine. AirBnB is literally telling hosts you cannot do business with X person because even if you want to I don't approve. Even though the risk is 100% on the host side. Please don't give money anymore to AirBnB.
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12.01.2021, 13:51
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | Lots of censorship - bad.
No censorship - equally bad, if not worse.
There must be a balance for the society to function and it was the right moment to apply a bit of censorship. | | | | | Exactly this. No-one could have said it any better. | Quote: | |  | | | Now, if you excuse me, I'm just gonna cancel this thread for myself. | | | | | Wise!
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12.01.2021, 14:12
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | |
I guess it's also reasonable if AirBnB warns hosts to be careful about whom you rent your place, that's pure common sense.
But, filtering customers because of perceived risk? I guess we're close to the Chinese citizen score than we imagine. AirBnB is literally telling hosts you cannot do business with X person because even if you want to I don't approve. Even though the risk is 100% on the host side. Please don't give money anymore to AirBnB.
| | | | | It's also a risk to the rep of AirBnB. Again, private company, free to decide how it operates.
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12.01.2021, 14:20
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | Now this is what I call crazy: Airbnb to ban guests associated with hate groups, violent activity ahead of US presidential inauguration https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...n-inauguration
I guess it's OK if a city official tells the following. The price for living in any capital city is protests all the time. Forgoing income of some stays is cheaper than living in a city under unrest, or paying for the cleanup later. Reasonable.
I guess it's also reasonable if AirBnB warns hosts to be careful about whom you rent your place, that's pure common sense.
But, filtering customers because of perceived risk? I guess we're close to the Chinese citizen score than we imagine. AirBnB is literally telling hosts you cannot do business with X person because even if you want to I don't approve. Even though the risk is 100% on the host side. Please don't give money anymore to AirBnB. | | | | |
"Airbnb is reviewing reservations in the Washington area ahead of next week’s presidential inauguration and will bar any guests associated with hate groups or violent activity"
this new policy is only in the DC area leading up to the inauguration, it's not a worldwide policy. also i don't see this as any different fm the noflylist from the airlines.
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12.01.2021, 14:23
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | "Airbnb is reviewing reservations in the Washington area ahead of next week’s presidential inauguration and will bar any guests associated with hate groups or violent activity"
it is only the DC area leading up to the inaugation, it's not a worldwide policy. also i don't see this as any different fm the noflylist from the airlines. | | | | | But it's CENSORSHIP and folk don't LIKES it. It makes them sad that they can't behave like total arseholes, get caught, and then continue as they are. Honestly.
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12.01.2021, 14:29
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | It's also a risk to the rep of AirBnB. Again, private company, free to decide how it operates. | | | | | In our world people do stupid things on vacation sites. Hotels don't care if you have problems with law enforcement outside the hotel. Inside the hotel, they're tolerant to the point of welcome you again if there's no violent crime and you pay for the damages.
The only risk I see for AirBnB in being proactive is that they're teaching us that companies are liable for what their customers do. Why are they so eager to have a new liability that has not existed before? A few months down the road football fans will riot in any given city around the world and fingers will be ready to blame AirBnB for not banning them.
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12.01.2021, 14:33
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | In our world people do stupid things on vacation sites. Hotels don't care if you have problems with law enforcement outside the hotel. Inside the hotel, they're tolerant to the point of welcome you again if there's no violent crime and you pay for the damages.
The only risk I see for AirBnB in being proactive is that they're teaching us that companies are liable for what their customers do. Why are they so eager to have a new liability that has not existed before? A few months down the road football fans will riot in any given city around the world and fingers will be ready to blame AirBnB for not banning them.
In the end, it doesn't matter, I just love hotels  | | | | | AirBnB aren't a hotel. They're an accommodation intermediary /facilitating site. I imagine there will be plenty of hotels with similar policies following the capitol hill riot.
They are liable - someone hacks your AirBnB account, they sort it.
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12.01.2021, 14:38
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | But it's CENSORSHIP and folk don't LIKES it. It makes them sad that they can't behave like total arseholes, get caught, and then continue as they are. Honestly. | | | | | The problem I see is that there is no control on such lists maintained by private companies.
Just imagine that there is a second RufusB in the US, who happens to be a hardcore Trump supporter and your records get mixed up somehow. Good luck solving such a situation.
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12.01.2021, 14:41
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Here we go, this is why Facebook and Twitter's share price has tanked. They're now going to find out that actions have consequences. I wonder if they'll enjoy the regulatory red tape that's heading their way?
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12.01.2021, 14:43
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | The problem I see is that there is no control on such lists maintained by private companies.
Just imagine that there is a second RufusB in the US, who happens to be a hardcore Trump supporter and your records get mixed up somehow. Good luck solving such a situation. | | | | | What lists? An AirBnB list? A half competent paper pusher could sort the issue. It's a non problem, unless you're suggesting full-blown identity theft which is, of course, a whole different fishkettle. Same name does not equal same person.
I guess it's dependent on how AirBNB are getting their info. If it's from legal channels, then lots of places will have access. No issue.
Folk just don't like being told they can't use something. It's like any end user agreement: breach the terms, no more right to access.
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12.01.2021, 14:52
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | It's also a risk to the rep of AirBnB. Again, private company, free to decide how it operates. | | | | | I would generally say any private company has the right to operate as it likes, along with the responsibility to live with the consequences.
That's how it should be.
But then there was that court ruling about a wedding cake for a gay couple.
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12.01.2021, 14:55
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | AirBnB aren't a hotel. They're an accommodation intermediary /facilitating site. I imagine there will be plenty of hotels with similar policies following the capitol hill riot.
They are liable - someone hacks your AirBnB account, they sort it. | | | | | Seems it is also linked to airbnb hosts themselves wanting to protect themselves and prevent any potential safety issues to their neighbourhoods. makes sense as many probably hosted protestors and made that mistake during last week's riots. Mayor Bowser requests more resources, and residents ask each other not to rent their homes.
" D.C. residents are also readying for the return of extremists. The hashtag #DontRentDC is trending on Twitter, as residents ask short-term rental hosts to keep their properties vacant this weekend through the end of inaugural activities. Richard Bianco, a D.C. attorney who primarily represents small landlords, is among those advising local hosts against booking.
“Don’t make a decision that is high risk, low reward,” says Bianco. “You’re potentially exchanging getting a couple of hundred bucks for your Airbnb over the course of a few days during the inauguration. And you’re potentially putting your neighbors at risk, your neighborhood at risk, by renting to people who intend to do harm.”
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12.01.2021, 14:55
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | The problem I see is that there is no control on such lists maintained by private companies.
Just imagine that there is a second RufusB in the US, who happens to be a hardcore Trump supporter and your records get mixed up somehow. Good luck solving such a situation. | | | | | Forget about second Rufus, what about someone who is not right wing but gets labelled right wing? If someone is on a police watch list, then fine otherwise.....
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12.01.2021, 14:57
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| | Re: Cancel Culture | Quote: | |  | | | I guess it's dependent on how AirBNB are getting their info. If it's from legal channels, then lots of places will have access. No issue.
| | | | | How is a legal channel going to detect how you have voted?
Maybe they can trawl your facebook profile for any comments, or maybe they can pay the likes of Cambridge Analytica to use an algorithm to do it for them.
Last time somebody did that, it didn't go down very well.
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