Cancel Culture - Page 26

Axa · #**501** 11.11.2022, 11:46

Don't understand the criticism, the new twitter user verification is working great:

Sadly, the boring execs at pharmaceutical company are not laughing, effing squares:

	Quote:
	Pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly clarified Thursday it is not offering free insulin, after a fake Twitter account—which was verified through Twitter Blue, a new subscription service implemented by Elon Musk— impersonating the brand said it was, a sign the new feature is causing confusion and misinformation to spread on the platform.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisad...ds-on-twitter/

marton · #**502** 11.11.2022, 12:14

	Quote:	kiwiguy08
	Seems Twitter Engagement is through the roof

And now?
Farcical

	Quote:
	"Sorry that this is my first email to the whole company, but there is no way to sugarcoat the message. Without significant subscription revenue, there is a good chance Twitter will not survive the upcoming economic downturn," Musk said. According to a Bloomberg report, Musk told his employees during an on-line "all-hands" meetingthat he could not rule out bankruptcy only two weeks after he bought the social media company for $44 billion (€43.2 billion).

Looks like the ones who were fired and already got their severance pay will be the lucky ones.

symphara · #**503** 11.11.2022, 17:05

	Quote:	Axa
	Don't understand the criticism, the new twitter user verification is working great

I don't have a dog in this fight, not even a twitter account. But they don't call it "verification" any more. It's a subscription service.

The blue checkmark has changed!

The definition of Verification and the accompanying blue checkmark is changing. Until now, Twitter used the blue checkmark to indicate active, notable, and authentic accounts of public interest that Twitter had independently verified based on certain requirements.

Now the blue checkmark may mean two different things: either that an account was verified under the previous verification criteria (active, notable, and authentic), or that the account has an active subscription to Twitter Blue.

Source: https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-blue

I agree it can generate some confusion though, and they should fully separate the verification from the subscription. I'd personally make the "verified" accounts pay a much higher subscription fee, give them a new colour, and actually verify them.

Axa · #**504** 11.11.2022, 17:15

	Quote:	symphara
	I don't have a dog in this fight, not even a twitter account. But they don't call it "verification" any more. It's a subscription service. The blue checkmark has changed! The definition of Verification and the accompanying blue checkmark is changing. Until now, Twitter used the blue checkmark to indicate active, notable, and authentic accounts of public interest that Twitter had independently verified based on certain requirements. Now the blue checkmark may mean two different things: either that an account was verified under the previous verification criteria (active, notable, and authentic), or that the account has an active subscription to Twitter Blue. Source: https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-blue I agree it can generate some confusion though, and they should fully separate the verification from the subscription. I'd personally make the "verified" accounts pay a much higher subscription fee, give them a new colour, and actually verify them.

I was being 100% cynic on the meaning of "verification" and "doing great".

twitter was a bad place but somehow worked and even generated a profit every once in a while. These days the survival is not ensured.

I arrived to twitter some years ago by following activist investors, then financial journalists and finally car journalists. A shitty place, but endearing anyway.

marton · #**505** 11.11.2022, 17:15

	Quote:	symphara
	I don't have a dog in this fight, not even a twitter account. But they don't call it "verification" any more. It's a subscription service. The blue checkmark has changed! The definition of Verification and the accompanying blue checkmark is changing. Until now, Twitter used the blue checkmark to indicate active, notable, and authentic accounts of public interest that Twitter had independently verified based on certain requirements. Now the blue checkmark may mean two different things: either that an account was verified under the previous verification criteria (active, notable, and authentic), or that the account has an active subscription to Twitter Blue. Source: https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-blue I agree it can generate some confusion though, and they should fully separate the verification from the subscription. I'd personally make the "verified" accounts pay a much higher subscription fee, give them a new colour, and actually verify them.

That is like saying there are two people here with up-to-date Covid vaccinations and certificates, one of the certificates is genuine.

symphara · #**506** 11.11.2022, 17:36

	Quote:	marton
	That is like saying there are two people here with up-to-date Covid vaccinations and certificates, one of the certificates is genuine.

I disagree, it's pretty clear what it means. To put it simply, a blue checkmark is no longer a guarantee of verification.

Now perhaps you don't like it, but that's something else.

komsomolez · #**507** 11.11.2022, 17:48

There is allegedly a Chrome add-in that can distinguish between previously verified and newly subscribed.

No idea. But Elon Musk is a punk.

symphara · #**508** 11.11.2022, 18:34

	Quote:	komsomolez
	There is allegedly a Chrome add-in that can distinguish between previously verified and newly subscribed.

Apparently clicking the blue checkmark in the web browser will actually tell you if an account is verified or an $8 subscription.

LtSoftDrink · #**509** 11.11.2022, 18:37

	Quote:	komsomolez
	There is allegedly a Chrome add-in that can distinguish between previously verified and newly subscribed. No idea. But Elon Musk is a punk.

I resent your giving punks a bad name

marton · #**510** 11.11.2022, 20:36

	Quote:	symphara
	I disagree, it's pretty clear what it means. To put it simply, a blue checkmark is no longer a guarantee of verification. Now perhaps you don't like it, but that's something else.

	Quote:	symphara
	Apparently clicking the blue checkmark in the web browser will actually tell you if an account is verified or an $8 subscription.

So which is it?

"It's pretty clear what it means"

Or,

"clicking the blue checkmark in the web browser will actually tell you if an account is verified or an $8 subscription"

Actually moot now, seems these blue check marks have vanished

Tom1234 · #**511** 12.11.2022, 11:58

	Quote:	marton
	Actually moot now, seems these blue check marks have vanished

Grey ones appeared for a short while but they have gone too.

symphara · #**512** 12.11.2022, 13:44

	Quote:	marton
	So which is it? "It's pretty clear what it means" Or, "clicking the blue checkmark in the web browser will actually tell you if an account is verified or an $8 subscription"

I don't see the contradiction. I quoted you the text from their own website, which is wholly consistent with both statements I wrote.

But I hope they're making the sensible move to different color checkmarks, one for actual verified entities and one for paying subscribers.

3Wishes · #**513** 12.11.2022, 13:59

	Quote:	symphara
	I don't see the contradiction. I quoted you the text from their own website, which is wholly consistent with both statements I wrote. But I hope they're making the sensible move to different color checkmarks, one for actual verified entities and one for paying subscribers.

I don't see the point of having a check mark for subscribers, to be honest. The original idea of the check was to distinguish a legit account that had been verified. What does the consumer gain by having a check mark indicating they've attached a credit card to the account?

komsomolez · #**514** 12.11.2022, 14:15

	Quote:	3Wishes
	I don't see the point of having a check mark for subscribers, to be honest. The original idea of the check was to distinguish a legit account that had been verified. What does the consumer gain by having a check mark indicating they've attached a credit card to the account?

It's Elon Musk's bizarre way of "democratizing" Twitter and somehow sticking it to "the elites". Mostly makes sense when you are some loner weirdo and has me wonder if he will become the next Peter Thiel.

(And the photo upload function of this forum makes me want to buy the site and dismantle it ...)

symphara · #**515** 12.11.2022, 14:34

	Quote:	3Wishes
	I don't see the point of having a check mark for subscribers, to be honest. The original idea of the check was to distinguish a legit account that had been verified. What does the consumer gain by having a check mark indicating they've attached a credit card to the account?

I think it makes perfect business sense. Some people want to be special and Twitter, instead of arbitrarily granting blue checkmarks to [semi]celebrities pontificating about the plebs, will now sell anybody one!

Plus, from what I understand, subscribers will get some actual perks, similar to YouTube.

And the "legit" accounts will be far fewer, based on recent announcements.

Axa · #**516** 13.11.2022, 07:57

	Quote:	symphara
	I think it makes perfect business sense. Some people want to be special and Twitter, instead of arbitrarily granting blue checkmarks to [semi]celebrities pontificating about the plebs, will now sell anybody one!

That's the curious part. I follow home country embassy and tax collection twitter accounts. During covid I followed the Swiss FOPH/BAG account. These days F1 gossip, car journalists, Bloomberg and FT journalists. All of them with checkmarks and never pointificating about the plebs beyond "if you don't drive a manual you don't know how to drive"

I know there's ignorant people on twitter giving their opinions on the environment, politicians or whatever, but there is a block button that shall be used generously.

BeastOfBodmin · #**517** 13.11.2022, 14:11

	Quote:	marton
	According to their latest financial statement, their 2021 revenue per employee was around three-quarters of a million, well above the tech company average of half a million and better than Tesla in 2021.

By firing almost 50% of the workforce, Mr. Musk has almost doubled that, assuming everything else remains the same...

TonyClifton · #**518** 15.11.2022, 18:05

If you want to have some fun, go back and read the first pages of this thread, what the same people were saying about private companies being able to do what they want, breach of T&Cs, celebrating bans etc. and compare that to what they're saying since the takeover

I think the best bit of this whole business is the number of blue tick journalist non entities on Twitter telling the richest man in the world where he's going wrong

a close second would be the number of people who rely on Twitter to remain relevant now hoping it goes bust.

Only scandal in this whole saga is that it ultimately took a wealthy individual like Elon Musk who allegedly cares about freedom of speech to try and turn things around from the censorship and bias that has plagued social media for the past 6 years.

greenmount · #**519** 15.11.2022, 18:11

	Quote:	BeastOfBodmin
	By firing almost 50% of the workforce, Mr. Musk has almost doubled that, assuming everything else remains the same...

He only had the best interest of 50% of his employees in mind.

I'm sure many of them will find employment pretty easily afterwards, but it's definitely not a good feeling to be fired so abruptly and unapologetically.

marton · #**520** 18.11.2022, 11:32

Elon is a clown, this type of ultimatum possibly works well in a start-up where people usually have a stake in the company and see a benefit but not in an established company with job grades and salary ranges.

	Quote:
	Elon on Wednesday had emailed employees asking them to formally state whether they were willing to keep working at the company - a commitment that would include "working long hours at high intensity." Employees had until 5 p.m. Eastern time Thursday to fill out a Google form. The form included just one possible response: "Yes." Anyone who failed to accept the form by the deadline was told they would be out of the company with three months' severance. Many more workers declined to sign on than he expected, potentially putting Twitter's operations at risk, according to people familiar with the matter. So many employees decided to take severance that it created a cloud of confusion over which people should still have access to company property. Twitter closed its offices until Monday, according to a memo viewed by Bloomberg. "Please continue to comply with company policy by refraining from discussing confidential information on social media, with the press or elsewhere," the memo added. Twitter's internal communications channels are filled with employees offering a salute emoji, which has become a symbol for departing the company.

It is really difficult to see how Twitter will survive due to high debts, low income and a shortage of people.