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Re: Cancel Culture

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I'm in principle for total free-speech and let individuals make up their own minds.

However, the stupidity of the average human has made total freedom no longer possible.
Totally agree with everything you wrote above. However, inciting to violence, hate speech and slander are not or rather, should not be part of what is acceptable to post on social media imo.


Last but not least, don't forget Twitter is a business. They cut their losses. When it was profitable to offer a platform to him and his worshipers they did, when everyone, including staff and some of the family abandons ship, Twitter is blocking his account. Really, move along nothing to see here....

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Old 10.01.2021, 12:02
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Re: Cancel Culture

For breaking the law of this magnitude DT should have been banned and was rightly so. No excuse. One law for all doesn’t apply in this case and this is a very specific case we are talking about. People on EF were banned for much lower transgressions, that’s a child’s play compared to inciting violence and insurrection that threatens democracy and divides the nation.

Hopefully the difference can be spotted by common sense?

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Old 10.01.2021, 12:07
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You mean illegal activities like this?

https://www.businessinsider.com/77-p...20-5?r=US&IR=T

It's blatant hypocrisy and this is why people are mad. If Silicon Valley think they're helping the situation then they're very much mistaken.

We've got to start somewhere, Tony. I am more angry that people react to conspiracy theories by causing damage to property and human life.
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Old 10.01.2021, 12:14
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We've got to start somewhere, Tony. I am more angry that people react to conspiracy theories by causing damage to property and human life.
Fully agree, someone was stabbed over the 5G conspiracy though. Inciting violence is against the law, yet the social media giants have allowed it to go on for too long. By focusing on those on the right though, social media giants have left themselves open to accusations of hypocrisy.

Ironically it is the Dems that have historically wanted to tie up Big Tech with red tape, so this banning could be the excuse they need now they have full political control in the US. Twitter could just well have ensured their own demise!
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Old 10.01.2021, 12:23
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Fully agree, someone was stabbed over the 5G conspiracy though. Inciting violence is against the law, yet the social media giants have allowed it to go on for too long. By focusing on those on the right though, social media giants have left themselves open to accusations of hypocrisy.

Ironically it is the Dems that have historically wanted to tie up Big Tech with red tape, so this banning could be the excuse they need now they have full political control in the US. Twitter could just well have ensured their own demise!
And perhaps this is why so many platforms are taking action. With the balance of power shifting, platforms are trying to ensure they not run afoul of the Democrats - at least for the next two years.
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Old 10.01.2021, 12:26
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Fully agree, someone was stabbed over the 5G conspiracy though. Inciting violence is against the law, yet the social media giants have allowed it to go on for too long. By focusing on those on the right though, social media giants have left themselves open to accusations of hypocrisy.

Ironically it is the Dems that have historically wanted to tie up Big Tech with red tape, so this banning could be the excuse they need now they have full political control in the US. Twitter could just well have ensured their own demise!
Anyone who has a deep understanding of the ways social media sites are designed to trap people in dopamine feedback loops and literally hinders their ability to process information due to information overload, decreases the gray matter in their brains, etc. should not have a problem with social media sites being taken down.

In Twitter's case, though, I respect them for blocking Trump and not putting their desire for more profit over whatever sense of social conscience or moral responsibility they do have.
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Old 10.01.2021, 12:27
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What's hypocritical is that Twitter, like this forum, don't apply their rules and standards uniformly. Murderers like Valdimir Putin or Nicolás Maduro still have Twitter accounts, Ramzan Kadyrov, the Chechnyan leader who rounded up gay people still has a Twitter account.
Why bother to quote my post and then respond with a completely different argument?

Addressing your different argument

Ramzan Kadyrov: 4,500 Twitter followers
Nicolás Maduro: 149,000 Twitter followers
Putin: 858,000 Twitter followers

Donald Trump has had 80,000,000 Twitter followers.

The ones you listed are hardly in the same league. Perhaps they should be banned too though. Not my call.
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Old 10.01.2021, 12:33
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What's hypocritical is that Twitter, like this forum, don't apply their rules and standards uniformly. Murderers like Valdimir Putin or Nicolás Maduro still have Twitter accounts, Ramzan Kadyrov, the Chechnyan leader who rounded up gay people still has a Twitter account.
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Why bother to quote my post and then respond with a completely different argument?
It's the next stage down the road that starts with "so what you're saying is...".

Meaning "I want to argue a point but unfortunately your post doesn't contradict it, so I'll just pretend that it does".

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The ones you listed are hardly in the same league. Perhaps they should be banned too though. Not my call.
DT was banned because of what he posted, not because of what he had or had not done that might be worthy of censure. Nor indeed for holding, or espousing, any given belief or opinion.

Very big difference.
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Old 10.01.2021, 12:35
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And perhaps this is why so many platforms are taking action. With the balance of power shifting, platforms are trying to ensure they not run afoul of the Democrats - at least for the next two years.

It's a shame that it's political.
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Old 10.01.2021, 12:42
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DT was banned because of what he posted, not because of what he had or had not done that might be worthy of censure. Nor indeed for holding, or espousing, any given belief or opinion.

Very big difference.
Fair point. But Trump's post hold a lot more sway because of firstly who he is, and secondly, the number of followers he has had.

I bet there are a lot of Twitter posts that are equally inflammatory but get ignored just because it isn't worth it as the posts have no clout.
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Old 10.01.2021, 12:45
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Re: Cancel Culture

What's Twitter?

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Old 10.01.2021, 12:50
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What's Twitter?

Tom
Never use it. Neither SNAP, Pinterest nor FB anymore.

Does that help in lowering incidents?

Twitter is useless but TWINT is helpful!

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Old 10.01.2021, 12:55
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Re: Cancel Culture

Trump had been warned about his posting of misinformation, etc. on Twitter, by Twitter, for years. Practically every post of his was being flagged, particularly in the past few months. Maybe one of the reasons they finally blocked him permanently is because they were tired of his posts consuming so much of their time and energy, with having to constantly remove and flag most of them.

Anyways, Trump having a Twitter account is basically the equivalent of giving an angry and irrational two-year old a megaphone.

Perhaps Twitter feels in part responsible for what happened at the Capitol due to giving him a platform to manipulate his support base with lies and hate propaganda for so long. If that's the case, they should also feel a sense of responsibility to permanently block him, which thankfully, they did.
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Old 10.01.2021, 12:56
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What's Twitter?

Tom

It's a dance from the 60s. Don't you remember?
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Fair point. But Trump's post hold a lot more sway because of firstly who he is, and secondly, the number of followers he has had.

I bet there are a lot of Twitter posts that are equally inflammatory but get ignored just because it isn't worth it as the posts have no clout.
I think therein lies the crux of it, he made his comments as one of the most important people in the world and they were seen by millions of people.
The same posts written by Joe Bloggs from number 32 wouldn’t have the same impact at all and would barely be noticed.
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It's a dance from the 60s. Don't you remember?

A bit like Troll'n'Roll.
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I think therein lies the crux of it, he made his comments as one of the most important people in the world and they were seen by millions of people.
The same posts written by Joe Bloggs from number 32 wouldn’t have the same impact at all and would barely be noticed.
In other words, to put it in simple terms for those who only understand the EF platform:

DT - Forum Legend
Joe Bloggs - Newbie
Joe Bloggs 1 - Newbie
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Re: Cancel Culture

You just never stop...

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MusicChick - it's noteworthy that you thanked all those posts that appeared to be against any form of social media censorship - so basically you feel there should be no moderation by moderators.

And yet you willingly volunteer to be, and act as a moderator on this forum.

Doesn't that strike you as a bit hypocritical?

Or, is it one rule for some and another for the select few? comrade?
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But that didn't happen. So stop trying to sugar-coat it and instead, please start trying to see it for what it is.
But we will never know whether Trumps alligations of voter fraud were true, as his complaints were dismissed outright without proper investigation. I mean you imagine the embaresment if voter fraud was discovered in the US ? Better not to look too closely...

That no evidence of fraud was found, and never properly investigated, does not mean it did not happen.

With all the false allegations the Democrates sprouted over the last 4 years, and their desperation to get rid of Trump, I think the Democrates are capable of anything and I would not automatically dismiss claims of fraud.

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Old 10.01.2021, 13:19
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Why bother to quote my post and then respond with a completely different argument?

Addressing your different argument

Ramzan Kadyrov: 4,500 Twitter followers
Nicolás Maduro: 149,000 Twitter followers
Putin: 858,000 Twitter followers

Donald Trump has had 80,000,000 Twitter followers.

The ones you listed are hardly in the same league. Perhaps they should be banned too though. Not my call.
I actually wanted to write about it being unfair to judge someone on the posts they like then lost my train of thought when I came to hypocrisy of moderators and went off on a tangent to hypocrisy of social media.

There's actually nothing in Twitter T&Cs that say the number of followers impact on how tweets are judged.

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It's the next stage down the road that starts with "so what you're saying is...".

Meaning "I want to argue a point but unfortunately your post doesn't contradict it, so I'll just pretend that it does".
I hope it's not lost on you as a moderator the number of members here that do that on a regular basis!
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