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Re: Cancel Culture

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Yet, all news coming from Ukraine is published by media, without any checks although Ukraine has a history of corruption.
Indeed, but not a history of manipulation through internet trolls and mass media etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades

Not Ukraine has a history of interfering in other countries's elections or vaccines disinformation campaigns.....with or without corruption.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/16/97795...-2020-election

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian...ay-11615129200


https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-not-convince/

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Despite constituting only a small part of our media diet, disinformation campaigns, in our digital world, can be devastatingly effective. We are intrinsically biased towards information that is emotionally visceral. We afford more weight to content that frightens or outrages us, with the ability to induce anger serving as the single greatest predictor of whether content goes viral. This propels the most visceral, divisive narratives to the forefront of discourse, creating a sound and fury of passionately debated claims and counter claims. In that atmosphere, it becomes increasingly difficult to ascertain what to believe, and easy to abandon the task of discerning the truth.
If we are not to fall victim to such rank dishonesty, it is crucial now that we question our sources more carefully than ever before.
Indecision and distraction have long been central to Russia’s dezinformatsiya (disinformation) policy, a term Stalin himself is credited with coining. While an ancient concept, Russia had by the imperial age mastered dark obfuscation techniques refined for the era of mass communication. By the dawn of the Soviet empire, they realized this potential on an industrial scale, establishing the world's first office dedicated to disinformation in 1923. In the 1960s, the KGB covertly sponsored American fringe groups, amplifying conspiratorial narratives about everything from the assassination of president John F. Kennedy to water fluoridation.
The goal, as KGB Major General Oleg Kalugin elucidated in 1998, was “not intelligence collection, but subversion: active measures to weaken the West, to drive wedges in the Western community alliances of all sorts, particularly NATO, to sow discord among allies, to weaken the United States in the eyes of the people of Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America....”. Operation INFEKTION, a mid-1980s clandestine effort to spread the myth that AIDS was a CIA-designed bioweapon, was but one infamous exemplar. While utterly fictious, it resonated with communities ravaged by HIV and neglected by the callous indifference of the Reagan administration. Despite Russian intelligence taking responsibility for this lie in 1992, the legacy of AIDS denialism persists to this day worldwide.
During the Cold War, the doctrine of “active measures” was the beating heart of Soviet intelligence. This philosophy of political and information warfare had wide remit, including front groups, media manipulation, counterfeiting, infiltrating peace groups and even the occasional assassination.
And in our media-saturated era, Russia has been, by far, disinformation’s most enthusiastic user. Take the 2016 U.S. presidential election and the contentious Brexit referendum; Russia appears to have influenced both via lies and distortions.
But disinformation is not solely confined to geopolitics. By summer 2020, the European Commission identified a concerted Russian drive to propagate COVID disinformation worldwide. From the outset of the pandemic, Kremlin-backed troll farms pushed the narrative that COVID was an engineered bioweapon, peddling the explosive fiction that 5G radio frequencies caused the virus—a lie that resulted in dozens of arson attacks on cell towers worldwide.
There is a dark irony in the observation that conspiracy-minded people can be weaponized in plots to which they’re entirely oblivious. The enduring popularity of the virus-as-a-bioweapon mantra is a stark reminder that in the age of social media, such manipulation has become ever easier and more effective. Perhaps the most odious example of this is the cynical rise of anti-vaccine propaganda.
The sheer efficacy of vaccination is scientifically incontrovertible, and after clean water, immunization is the most life-saving intervention in human history. Despite this, the last decade has witnessed precipitous drops in vaccine confidence worldwide. The renaissance of once-virtually-conquered diseases prompted the WHO to declare vaccine hesitancy a top-10 threat to public health in 2019.

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Old 17.12.2022, 20:05
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Indeed, but not a history of manipulation through internet trolls and mass media etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades

Not Ukraine has a history of interfering in other countries's elections or vaccines misinformation campaigns.....with or without corruption.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/16/97795...-2020-election

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian...ay-11615129200

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-not-convince/
That's irrelevant. These are two countries at war. You shouldn't take any information from any of the involved parties for granted. Hiram Johnson's quote is spot on.
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Re: Cancel Culture

I don't...
For instance
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ys-2022-11-15/
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Old 17.12.2022, 22:23
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Yet, all news coming from Ukraine is published by media, without any checks although Ukraine has a history of corruption.
It a war dearie, do you understand what it means to draw arms and go into the night knowing that you have been been authorized to take human life and that in the next few hours that you may meet someone who will without hesitation take yours? Grow up and stop playing silly games, this is a war we can’t afford Russia to win. End of story!
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Old 17.12.2022, 22:53
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It a war dearie, do you understand what it means to draw arms and go into the night knowing that you have been been authorized to take human life and that in the next few hours that you may meet someone who will without hesitation take yours? Grow up and stop playing silly games, this is a war we can’t afford Russia to win. End of story!
Then why don't you volunteer?
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Old 17.12.2022, 23:02
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Yet, all news coming from Ukraine is published by media, without any checks although Ukraine has a history of corruption.
Do you have a credible source for your claim that there are no checks?
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Old 17.12.2022, 23:13
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Re: Cancel Culture

The biggest problem since Musk's Twitter takeover is it seems to be becoming very American orientated despite Twitter's own figures which show that only around 20% of the users are American.
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Old 18.12.2022, 12:04
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Do you have a credible source for your claim that there are no checks?
For example, remember what happened after Ursula von der Leyen's statement about casualties, some weeks ago.
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Old 18.12.2022, 12:42
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Re: Cancel Culture

The law of unintended consequences has hit Elon

First Tesla's shares halved causing him to lose his world's richest man title but now;

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Morning Consult’s surveys: In October, 24.8% of self-described Democrats had a positive view of the electric car manufacturer, but at the end of November, this number had dropped to 10.4%.
The opposite trend was observed among Conservatives, with self-described Republicans seeing their perception of Tesla improve from 20% to 26.5% during the same period.

Perhaps more important: about 38% of Americans had a positive view of Tesla, while 22% viewed the company negatively.
At the start of 2022, 43% of Americans viewed Tesla positively, while only 15% had a negative opinion of the company.
This is why business leaders avoid having strong public views on politics.

Would be interesting to know how many Republicans actually buy Teslas, presumably many of them see electric cars as a woke thing.

According to this study "The owners of cars from Elon Musk's electric vehicle brand appear to be predominantly male Millennials or Gen-Z folks living in affluent urban areas."

Never mind Elon !!
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Old 18.12.2022, 12:54
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For example, remember what happened after Ursula von der Leyen's statement about casualties, some weeks ago.
Actually she or rather her press&PR office has used intel that wasn't coming from the Ukrainians, if I remember correctly.
The number of casualties presented then was probably closer to reality because if one side has this number I find it hard to believe the other one has only a fraction of it, regardless of the Russian army being poorly equipped (speaking of history of corruption..), trained etc in comparison with UA. She shouldn't have said anything about the number because she doesn't have any. But we digress.
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For example, remember what happened after Ursula von der Leyen's statement about casualties, some weeks ago.
Remember how they issued a correction and clarification, too?
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The law of unintended consequences has hit Elon

First Tesla's shares halved causing him to lose his world's richest man title but now;



This is why business leaders avoid having strong public views on politics.

Would be interesting to know how many Republicans actually buy Teslas, presumably many of them see electric cars as a woke thing.

According to this study "The owners of cars from Elon Musk's electric vehicle brand appear to be predominantly male Millennials or Gen-Z folks living in affluent urban areas."

Never mind Elon !!
Unless the business itself is....media?

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"I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice."
https://www.newstalk.com/business/wh...-brexit-592236
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Old 18.12.2022, 15:54
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Unless the business itself is....media?

https://www.newstalk.com/business/wh...-brexit-592236
Sure but was their involvement in politics good or bad for their media business?

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Old 18.12.2022, 15:59
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Yet, all news coming from Ukraine is published by media, without any checks although Ukraine has a history of corruption.
I did some checking and all the major news media have reporters embedded in Ukraine who are responsible for collecting and checking information.
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Old 18.12.2022, 18:00
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Re: Cancel Culture

Elon's jet landed in Qatar three hours ago.

Maybe he is hoping for one of those suitcases full of money to subsidise his Twitter adventure.
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Old 18.12.2022, 21:21
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For example, remember what happened after Ursula von der Leyen's statement about casualties, some weeks ago.
Or the breathless reporting of the latest exploits of the "Ghost of Kyiv"
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Do you have a credible source for your claim that there are no checks?
No source necessary, a well functioning brain is enough:
- nukes
- genocide on Ukrainians

Though admittedly that may not come out of Ukraine, but out of the media themselves.
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Old 19.12.2022, 10:36
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Re: Cancel Culture

Elon running a poll on Twitter asking "Should I step down as head of Twitter? ", so far 57% say "Yes" out of 15 million, two hours left to vote.
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Elon running a poll on Twitter asking "Should I step down as head of Twitter? ", so far 57% say "Yes" out of 15 million, two hours left to vote.
Dangerous question for a man with such a fragile ego. Maybe he'll ban anyone voting for him to step down.

Although it does have a sort of "Should I ask Brad to the prom?" teenage vibe to it...
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Elon running a poll on Twitter asking "Should I step down as head of Twitter? ", so far 57% say "Yes" out of 15 million, two hours left to vote.
I voted "yes" to him stepping down...
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