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Old 10.01.2021, 19:49
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Although you'd like to think that he would have asserted some self-control and stopped using his own account whilst president - without being asked or forced to do so.
The man has no self-control, haven't you realised that yet?
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he is being censored because he is a man in the most powerful position in the world who is actively and knowingly spreading lies, misinformation.
Cannot agree more - just remember how he promoted that puppet in Venezuela, as opposed to the legal President Maduro.
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Cannot agree more - just remember how he promoted that puppet in Venezuela, as opposed to the legal President Maduro.
Can't quite decide whether this is dry whit or craziness!
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Old 10.01.2021, 20:41
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Can't quite decide whether this is dry whit or craziness.
The former. Unless dry wit requires certain amount of crazy.

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Old 11.01.2021, 09:56
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Re: Cancel Culture

Free speech and freedom of thought should NEVER be compromised! I can't believe that grown up, educated people can't handle difference of opinion.
Everything should be allowed apart from direct violence or call for violence against any individual etc.

Some say that there are lots of dumb people who get easily influenced, well that is life. There are many times more who get educated as a result of free speech too. People who are against free speech are not smarter than the dumb people they are apparently trying to protect by wrapping them in cotton wool.

As a dark skinned person, I find it funny that everything is classed as racism these days, which I find insulting! For example, if snowflakes continue to have their way then criticism of religion or religious ideology is racism as well

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Old 11.01.2021, 09:59
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Re: Cancel Culture

Cancel culture has reached DT’s golf courses. No surprise there.

Trump National in Bedminster has been stripped of the US PGA Championship in 2022 as its organisers felt using the course as host would be "detrimental".

Trump National stripped of 2022 US PGA Championship https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/55615022
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Old 11.01.2021, 10:37
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Although you'd like to think that he would have asserted some self-control and stopped using his own account whilst president - without being asked or forced to do so.
One might have thought so, yes, but I think we reckoned without his huge ego and the small army of acolytes who were very eager to feed it. That and the rather larger army of ordinary Americans who would apparently believe everything he told them, no matter how absurd.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:01
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As a dark skinned person, I find it funny that everything is classed as racism these days, which I find insulting! For example, if snowflakes continue to have their way then criticism of religion or religious ideology is racism as well
I've only seen 2 persons play the racism card in Switzerland.

One drunk guy in the train station (whiter than me) that called me racist after I refused to talk with him. I made the great racist offense of drinking my beer in silence while waiting the train

And other guy that could not read the sign "no picnic, tables only for restaurant customers". He shouted racism or something with Starbucks coffee in hand while being asked to order something or leave. I didn't find it insulting, it's extremely hilarious.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:01
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Re: Cancel Culture

Freedom of Speech in Switzerland:

I can't find a good English source that details Freedom of Speech in Switzerland but I believe it prohibits hate speech and racism specifically.

Can anyone help me out in finding a good article in English that would give evidence to my above statement? Thanks.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:06
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Free speech and freedom of thought should NEVER be compromised!
I recommend watching (Khashoggi doc)-
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And yet that is exactly what happens on this forum and I am grateful for it.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:14
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And yet that is exactly what happens on this forum and I am grateful for it.
No offence but in global terms this forum is meaningless, I was talking bigger things than this forum

You have right to feel grateful and groan freely, no one is denying you that right
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:22
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No offence but in global terms this forum is meaningless, I was talking bigger things than this forum

You have right to feel grateful and groan freely, no one is denying you that right
I groaned because I feel you're contradicting yourself. Even you admit that there are times when Freedom of Speech should not be guaranteed. It is my personal belief that published/public words should be held accountable to some degree. Trump's Twitter account should have been banned long before, especially since he was spreading false information and inciting hatred towards his own government.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:27
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Re: Cancel Culture

For some reason I cannot quote jacek's comment, so:

I think we need to assess Trump's case in the context of athlete and celebrity endorsements of products and services. The celebrity wears a brand logo, talks positively about the brand and gets a big payment in return.

If the celebrity does something that makes the brand/party look bad, the endorsement is gone. It happened to Lance Armstrong, Tiger Woods, Maria Sharapova and Mike Tyson. Trump is not that different to them, just an image. I guess the only problem is that the line between business and politics is too damned thin.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:48
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I groaned because I feel you're contradicting yourself. Even you admit that there are times when Freedom of Speech should not be guaranteed.
Violence is a crime. No contradiction there. No words can physically harm me!

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You are entitled to those beliefs but in my view those views should be challenged and debated rather than the individual cancelled and have no way of debating back. Also, the problem with "accountability", it is a moving line and applied selectively. We see that on this forum, and we see that globally too.

Let me take your accountability point further, so published words of many religious books are grotesque towards non-believers like me. Would you be for banning those religions and followers of those religions?

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You mean just like my above example of published words? Trump turned himself from being entertaining at the start of his presidency to a full-blown clown. Think of Trump as a backward religious book, his followers as followers of religion. Some take his word as gospel and some don't.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:56
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Let me take your accountability point further, so published words of many religious books are grotesque towards non-believers like me. Would you be for banning those religions and followers of those religions?
Religious freedom is included in our Freedom of Speech. However, if persons of those communities begin to incite hate speech and violence, then yes, they should be held accountable.
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Old 11.01.2021, 12:05
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Religious freedom is included in our Freedom of Speech. However, if persons of those communities begin to incite hate speech and violence, then yes, they should be held accountable.
So we agree that freedom of speech guarantees freedom of speech as long as no violence comes into the equation, so you see I was not contradicting myself

Anyway have a nice day. I don't want to get sucked into these first world problem topics
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Old 11.01.2021, 12:19
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as long as no violence comes into the equation, so you see I was not contradicting myself
Err, it kinda looks like you are...

In any event, even in the USA where this "freedom of speech" is a thing, it doesn't in any way require that platforms and publishers, online or otherwise, should give a voice to anyone.

The whole idea is based on a misinterpretation of the First Amendment which was put in place to prevent government from banning, censoring or silencing religious or other views.
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Err...

In any event, even in the USA where this "freedom of speech" is a thing, it doesn't in any way require that platforms and publishers, online or otherwise, should give a voice to anyone.

The whole idea is based on a misinterpretation of the First Amendment which was put in place to prevent government from banning, censoring or silencing religious or other views.
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Re: Cancel Culture

German Chancellor Angela Merkel calls the banning of US President Donald Trump "problematic" and says freedom of speech "can be restricted, but only in accordance with the laws and within a framework defined by the legislator — not the decision of the management of social media platforms."

Exactly the point!! Reading between the lines I think that Ms Merkel realises that if the US President can cancelled then anyone can be.
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel calls the banning of US President Donald Trump "problematic" and says freedom of speech "can be restricted, but only in accordance with the laws and within a framework defined by the legislator — not the decision of the management of social media platforms."

Exactly the point!! Reading between the lines I think that Ms Merkel realises that if the US President can cancelled then anyone can be.
But he broke with the Ts and Cs of a private platform. It isn't any government's call.

He's not been cancelled. Such hysteria. His Twitter account has been. Small but impt distinction. If he wants to get a message out he can. He's the POTUS.
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