Cancel Culture - Page 8

Elu · #**141** 11.01.2021, 15:48

	Quote:	RufusB
	But he broke with the Ts and Cs of a private platform. It isn't any government's call. He's not been cancelled. Such hysteria. His Twitter account has been. Small but impt distinction. If he wants to get a message out he can. He's the POTUS.

Yes, the didn't ban the POTUS acount as far as I know. Just his personal one, where he's just a normal "customer" of Twitter.

Axa · #**142** 11.01.2021, 16:01

And the irony of the blocker in chief:

	Quote:
	An organization that successfully proved President Donald Trump violated the law when he blocked Twitter critics sued him anew on Friday, saying he continues to reject some accounts two years after losing in court.....Some individuals identified in a lawsuit filed in 2017, along with dozens of others who were blocked on the basis of viewpoint, have been unblocked, the lawsuit said. But lawyers say the White House has refused to unblock those who can’t identify which tweet led them to be blocked and others who were blocked before Trump was sworn in more than three years ago.“It shouldn’t take another lawsuit to get the president to respect the rule of law and to stop blocking people simply because he doesn’t like what they’re posting"

https://apnews.com/article/technolog...d7558042af5f4b

Pancakes · #**143** 11.01.2021, 16:03

	Quote:	Elu
	Yes, the didn't ban the POTUS acount as far as I know. Just his personal one, where he's just a normal "customer" of Twitter.

The POTUS account will be handed over to Biden on inauguration day.

RufusB · #**144** 11.01.2021, 16:04

	Quote:	Pancakes
	The POTUS account will be handed over to Biden on inauguration day.

Donald will have to re-up with a new name then!

3Wishes · #**145** 11.01.2021, 16:05

	Quote:	Talk to you later
	...You are entitled to those beliefs but in my view those views should be challenged and debated rather than the individual cancelled and have no way of debating back...

Let's be honest. Trump and many of his supporters don't want debate. They want to spread their lies and conspiracy theories unhindered.

Elu · #**146** 11.01.2021, 16:06

	Quote:	Pancakes
	The POTUS account will be handed over to Biden on inauguration day.

Yeah as usual. I was referring to Merkels thoughts on the ban. If they start to ban official accounts, then she can start to worry. Until then, freedom of speech doesn't guarantee protection from consequences.

Jim2007 · #**147** 11.01.2021, 16:07

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	If the President can be "cancelled" then anyone can be.

Anyone who insights a riot or an insurrection should be be cancelled and trying to justify it with a what about this and what about that is just talking nonsense.

#**148** 11.01.2021, 16:09

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Let's be honest. Trump and many of his supporters don't want debate. They want to spread their lies and conspiracy theories unhindered.

Sounds familiar...

swissotter · #**149** 11.01.2021, 16:09

	Quote:	RufusB
	But he broke with the Ts and Cs of a private platform. It isn't any government's call. He's not been cancelled. Such hysteria. His Twitter account has been. Small but impt distinction. If he wants to get a message out he can. He's the POTUS.

Exactly. People act like Trump has had his voice taken away. He’s still the President. It’s very easy for him to call a press conference and speak on live television if he wanted to/ stand on his balcony with a megaphone/ use the white house official site etc. He has a lot of options for getting his voice heard, he only lost his private twitter account.

Pancakes · #**150** 11.01.2021, 16:10

I wonder what Trump supporters would be saying if the situation was reversed and Biden had lost the election but then denied it, convinced liberals that the election was "stolen" from him and then instigated a violent attack on the Capitol building during a Congressional session being held to confirm the election results.

Jim2007 · #**151** 11.01.2021, 16:14

	Quote:	Talk to you later
	Free speech and freedom of thought should NEVER* be compromised! I can't believe that grown up, educated people can't handle difference of opinion.*

Give me a break, we're not talking about differences of onion here, you're right to free speech does not entitle you to insight violence and an insurrection. Surly as an educated person you know the difference between right and wrong and when someone is abusing their rights? Most adults do.

RufusB · #**152** 11.01.2021, 16:15

	Quote:	Pancakes
	I wonder what Trump supporters would be saying if the situation was reversed and Biden had lost the election but then denied it, convinced liberals that the election was "stolen" from him and then instigated a violent attack on the Capitol building during a Congressional session being held to confirm the election results.

They'd be in jail. The ones that weren't shot already.

Ouchboy · #**153** 11.01.2021, 16:17

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Let's be honest. Trump and many of his supporters don't want debate. They want to spread their lies and conspiracy theories unhindered.

this is called mainstreaming, it is a known tactic of the alt-right (it's major user nowadays) , which they have succesfully weaponized to shift the overtone window to make themselves acceptable.

this tactic isn't new, it has just never been so useful in any other time like ours and the advent of the attention economy.

RufusB · #**154** 11.01.2021, 16:19

	Quote:	Elu
	Yeah as usual. I was referring to Merkels thoughts on the ban. If they start to ban official accounts, then she can start to worry. Until then, freedom of speech doesn't guarantee protection from consequences.

But again, if those "blue tick" accounts (which AFAIK just means that Twitter has proof the person is who they purport to be) breach Ts and Cs, so be it. The blue tick cqn be recinded. Happened recently to a "journalist" Alison Pearson who made the most heinous bullying and libellous posts to some poor sod who called her out on some data she'd used incorrectly. In short, behave like a twat, get treated like one.

RufusB · #**155** 11.01.2021, 16:21

	Quote:	Ouchboy
	this is called mainstreaming, it is a known tactic of the alt-right, which they have succesfully weaponized to shift the overtone window to make themselves acceptable. this tactic isn't new, it has just never been so useful in any other time like ours and the advent of the attention economy.

Yep. Is happening with the "Trans Women are Women " debate which conflates sex (biological fact) with gender (societal construct often using stereotypes). It's how JK Rowling's latest Strike book got labelled as transphobic by thousands of fools who clearly hadn't read it. The idiocracy: pretty funny but mighty loud.

HickvonFrick · #**156** 11.01.2021, 16:21

	Quote:	Ouchboy
	this is called mainstreaming, it is a known tactic of the alt-right, which they have succesfully weaponized to shift the overtone window to make themselves acceptable. this tactic isn't new, it has just never been so useful in any other time like ours and the advent of the attention economy.

The alt-left too. Under Jeremy Corbyn the Labour Party in the UK were spreaders of fake news, bullying and racism.

kiwiguy08 · #**157** 11.01.2021, 16:23

Go woke....go broke

https://nypost.com/2021/01/11/twitte...esident-trump/

RufusB · #**158** 11.01.2021, 16:24

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	The alt-left too. Under Jeremy Corbyn the Labour Party in the UK were spreaders of fake news, bullying and racism.

Or rather that was one take on it. Which fake news?

HickvonFrick · #**159** 11.01.2021, 16:26

	Quote:	RufusB
	Yep. Is happening with the "Trans Women are Women " debate which conflates sex (biological fact) with gender (societal construct often using stereotypes).

Normal people don't make these kind of meaningless woke definitions that are basically used to call other people nasty names. For normal people sex = gender.

If someone born a man wants to be a woman or vice versa I have no issue with that - it's their body. I imagine it must very unpleasant to be unhappy with ones sex or gender or whatever people want to call it and to want to change it. I think everyone should be kind to people who are in a bad place and treat them as human beings.

But I don't think that should extend to criticising people who eg are concerned with sex changes given to children.

RufusB · #**160** 11.01.2021, 16:40

	Quote:	HickvonFrick
	Normal people don't make these kind of meaningless woke definitions that are basically used to call other people nasty names. For normal people sex = gender. If someone born a man wants to be a woman or vice versa I have no issue with that - it's their body. I imagine it must very unpleasant to be unhappy with ones sex or gender or whatever people want to call it and to want to change it. I think everyone should be kind to people who are in a bad place and treat them as human beings. But I don't think that should extend to criticising people who eg are concerned with sex changes given to children.

But that's just it - the woke, as you put it, are the ones who equate the two. Gender does not equal sex.

The "normal" lot are saying sure, dress how you like, call yourself what you want, but ultimately you were born, and remain, biologically male or female.