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Normal people don't make these kind of meaningless woke definitions that are basically used to call other people nasty names. For normal people sex = gender.

If someone born a man wants to be a woman or vice versa I have no issue with that - it's their body. I imagine it must very unpleasant to be unhappy with ones sex or gender or whatever people want to call it and to want to change it. I think everyone should be kind to people who are in a bad place and treat them as human beings.

But I don't think that should extend to criticising people who eg are concerned with sex changes given to children.
But that's just it - the woke, as you put it, are the ones who equate the two. Gender does not equal sex.

The "normal" lot are saying sure, dress how you like, call yourself what you want, but ultimately you were born, and remain, biologically male or female.
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Or rather that was one take on it. Which fake news?
Where would you even start. Momentum literature was a pack of lies and disinformation spread by conspiracy theorists and antisemites.

How about the moment he claimed trains were ram packed so he had to sit on the floor, which was proven to be a bare faced lie.

Or when he claimed he didn't say that article 50 should be triggered immediately following the vote, when in fact said it on camera.

Or when he pulled out a Russian sourced document and claimed the Conservatives planned to sell of the NHS to the US (the document simply didn't say that)

How about when he claimed that voting labour would save every household £7k a year on living costs - a figure that was debunked as coming out of thin air.
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Old 11.01.2021, 16:55
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel calls the banning of US President Donald Trump "problematic" and says freedom of speech "can be restricted, but only in accordance with the laws and within a framework defined by the legislator — not the decision of the management of social media platforms."

Exactly the point!! Reading between the lines I think that Ms Merkel realises that if the US President can cancelled then anyone can be.
I am really surprised. Don't think that's the reason she disagrees, can't see Merkel spam the Twitter Trump style.Just wasn't expecting it. Didn't she just give a speech condoning how people ambushed Capitol?
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Meanwhile, Twitter opened 10% lower today.
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Old 11.01.2021, 17:31
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Meanwhile, Twitter opened 10% lower today.
Don't want to spoil the party, but equities are volatile. There's no old bearded guy above in the sky telling you good up, you bad down. Prices change and that's it https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TWTR?p=TWTR
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Old 11.01.2021, 17:54
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But he broke with the Ts and Cs of a private platform. It isn't any government's call.

He's not been cancelled. Such hysteria. His Twitter account has been. Small but impt distinction. If he wants to get a message out he can. He's the POTUS.
Got to love it, Mrs. Merkel, the longest serving leader in the democratic developed world points out the issues with Donald Trumps ban, and the reaction to it is labeled hysterical and gets a load of likes just a reminder that Twitter nor this forum are not truly representative of the real world!

Even saying that Donald Trump broke the T&Cs with those last two tweets is open to debate. Neither were an incitement to violence but according to Twitter "The president's statements can be mobilized by different audiences, including to incite violence". This is basically saying it doesn't matter what's written, Twitter can and will interpret it how they see fit.

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Meanwhile, Twitter opened 10% lower today.
This is why we shouldn't be too concerned with what Twitter and Facebook have done. Ultimately I feel it will go down as one of the biggest own goals in history. Aside from the 4 billion that has been wiped off Twitter's value today, there will be many tech savvy entrepreneurs on the right looking to exploit these developments.
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Old 11.01.2021, 18:01
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This is why we shouldn't be too concerned with what Twitter and Facebook have done. Ultimately I feel it will go down as one of the biggest own goals in history. Aside from the 4 billion that has been wiped off Twitter's value today, there will be many tech savvy entrepreneurs on the right looking to exploit these developments.
So obviously you believe this is actually a left-wing/right-wing thing rather than a freedom-of-speech thing?
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Old 11.01.2021, 18:03
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So obviously you believe this is actually a left-wing/right-wing thing rather than a freedom-of-speech thing?
It should be a freedom of speech thing, however those that get banned and censored are disproportionately on the right, which is why in reality it is a left/right thing. The same goes for pretty much everything these days unfortunately.
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Old 11.01.2021, 18:11
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Meanwhile, Twitter opened 10% lower today.
And yet somehow the earth is still turning...
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Re: Cancel Culture

What did Trump actually post on Facebook to trigger the ban?
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Old 11.01.2021, 18:15
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What did Trump actually post on Facebook to trigger the ban?
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It should be a freedom of speech thing, however those that get banned and censored are disproportionately on the right, which is why in reality it is a left/right thing. The same goes for pretty much everything these days unfortunately.
Maybe you should ask yourself if there is a good reason for that.
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Old 11.01.2021, 18:18
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Maybe you should ask yourself if there is a good reason for that.
We know the reason for it already, the few decision makers at Big Tech are liberal/left leaning, and cancel culture is a phenomena that also has arisen in the main part from the left.
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This is why we shouldn't be too concerned with what Twitter and Facebook have done.
I agree. With their logic they will be held accountable for allowing certain accounts, not for sanitizing and deleting thousands.
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Old 11.01.2021, 18:22
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What did Trump actually post on Facebook to trigger the ban?
He told his fans to march on the Capitol.
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Got to love it, Mrs. Merkel, the longest serving leader in the democratic developed world points out the issues with Donald Trumps ban, and the reaction to it is labeled hysterical and gets a load of likes just a reminder that Twitter nor this forum are not truly representative of the real world!

Even saying that Donald Trump broke the T&Cs with those last two tweets is open to debate. Neither were an incitement to violence but according to Twitter "The president's statements can be mobilized by different audiences, including to incite violence". This is basically saying it doesn't matter what's written, Twitter can and will interpret it .
Thank crunchie it isn't. If EF were truly a microcosm we'd be doomed.

I wasn't saying Merkel's reaction was hysterical.
Twitter is a private company. If determines its rules were broken, then its rules were broken.

Trump went back to his "we were robbed in an illegal election" rhetoric and that was, understandably, deemed to be him fanning the flames again. I really don't see why this is difficult to grasp.

Trump behaved abominably. Likely illegally. That is the majority opinion. If you think he's merely been hard done by for speaking his mind then that's your view.

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Actually, I may be one of those fools disagreeing with Rowling, and I do know of people who clearly did read her book and still disagree. I‘ve not read the most recent one though....I’ve lost the stomach for it.

But, that‘s off topic.
It is. But I'll wager they didn't read to the end.
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Old 11.01.2021, 18:42
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Err, it kinda looks like you are...
I did clearly say in that post-

Everything should be allowed apart from direct violence or call for violence against any individual etc.

Did you choose to unread that deliberately?

What private companies do is their business in theory. Current laws need to be updated, the whole being a platform but acting like a publisher. If you have T&C then apply to everyone equally, neutrally!

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Let's be honest. Trump and many of his supporters don't want debate. They want to spread their lies and conspiracy theories unhindered.
Let them. If they cause violence, come down hard on them. It is quite simple unless people look at things through their political bias.

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Give me a break, we're not talking about differences of onion here, you're right to free speech does not entitle you to insight violence and an insurrection. Surly as an educated person you know the difference between right and wrong and when someone is abusing their rights? Most adults do.
I don't know where I said that free speech = right to violence? From a legal POV all speech should be allowed ALWAYS unless calling for violence!
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Old 11.01.2021, 18:46
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I don't know where I said that free speech = right to violence? From a legal POV all speech should be allowed ALWAYS unless calling for violence!
SCOTUS test is lawless imminent action. which is not limited to violence, so no.. not always allowed.
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We know the reason for it already, the few decision makers at Big Tech are liberal/left leaning, and cancel culture is a phenomena that also has arisen in the main part from the left.
Really? Oh Tony, you tell the best funnies...

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What private companies do is their business in theory. Current laws need to be updated, the whole being a platform but acting like a publisher. If you have T&C then apply to everyone equally, neutrally!

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Let them. If they cause violence, come down hard on them. It is quite simple unless people look at things through their political bias.

Exactly. That is what Twitter did.

What do you mean, acting like a publisher? Do you mean other private companies that can and do decide what they want to associate themselves with?



Quite a few folk on here seem to believe Trump didn't do much wrong. It's mind boggling.

I'd love to know what you think he did do.
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Old 11.01.2021, 19:15
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Re: Cancel Culture

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I am talking here about what I think, I don't care about the USA or their laws. In a healthy society everyone's voice should be heard and also be open to ridicule. Being offended are not reasons to shut down anyone's voice.

Every debate these days is contaminated by Trump. I am for free speech, but people automatically assume that I must be Trump supporter or right wing!

Btw, I don't have an account on Twitter, FB,TikTok, Grinder, Tinder etc. Never had and never will, not for any political reasons, but simply because I find the whole concept silly.
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